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Old 01-17-2016, 04:09 PM
 
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We looked at the ACA this year. Had my employer decided to not pay more towards employer benefits their plans would have actually been more affordable than the plans offered through both my employer and my husbands employer. Thankfully my employer stepped up it's game this year and is now covering more of the costs making the plans more affordable for employees.

That being said, by definition the ACA is not socialist. The insurance companies are still privately owned. As someone who is a bit of a socialist, this irks me a bit. Health care is still controlled by private insurance companies, not the government.

Socialism | Definition of Socialism by Merriam-Webster
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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Remember Obamacare really kicks in 2016

May even go higher!!!
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:11 PM
 
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I have one co worker where it is 1/3 of his pay.
This was the rate with my employer for the first 2 years I worked with them. This year they finally lowered the rates so that employees who were just starting could actually afford the benefits.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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The ACA did. not do this.

wHy is the USA the only country that wants employers to pay for health care? Makes no sense.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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Obamacare is absolutely killing the middle class, blue collar workers, and small business which tries to pay a living wage with benefits. They are abandoning the Democrats in droves.

The election of 2014 was just a preview of the sundering that is yet to come.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Obamacare is absolutely killing the middle class, blue collar workers, and small business which tries to pay a living wage with benefits. They are abandoning the Democrats in droves.
Because not having health insurance was so much better? Also they are not abandoning the Democrats in droves no matter how many times you repeat that myth.

The election of 2014 was no more of a preview than the election of 2010 was for 2012.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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The ACA did. not do this.

wHy is the USA the only country that wants employers to pay for health care? Makes no sense.
The ACA is causing the rates to rise.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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Because not having health insurance was so much better? Also they are not abandoning the Democrats in droves no matter how many times you repeat that myth. The election of 2014 was no more of a preview than the election of 2010 was for 2012.
These people had insurance prior to Obamacare. They could afford it then and it provided benefit. Now it doesn't. This speaks for itself. Obviously you have never tried to run a small business.

Of course you make every and any excuse for Obama, but like everything else you post on CD, it has no basis in reality.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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IMO, if we cannot do single payer, we need to go back to major medical.

Everybody pays for their own Dr. visits and medication. Should hospitalization be needed, insurance pays.

People would pay more attention to their own health and treatment if the cost came from their own pockets.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:52 PM
 
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Obamacare is corporate care written by and for corporations
The Fight Over Obamacare Was a Giant Political Charade | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

Paul Y. Song is the executive chairman of the Courage Campaign, executive board member of Physicians for a National Health Program, and co-chair of Campaign for a Healthy California. He told me in an interview on Uprising that “this was really less about protecting patients and more about protecting the health insurance industry, hospitals and all of the medical corporations.” The subsidies at stake are our tax dollars filling the coffers of private corporations in exchange for profit-based “managed care.”

Song concurred, saying, “This is less of a government-run program, but it’s a corporate bailout. It really is giving people money to buy a product from a for-profit industry that only makes money by denying care.”
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