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This is what I understand about the controversy... it's that people don't want their tax money spent on an institution that performs abortion even if it's only a small fraction of their services. They feel they are aiding and abetting something they are passionately opposed to either morally or as you say paying for someone's poor choices. I can understand that and I'm basically pro choice.
BTW, I knew a woman (she was the manager at a restaurant where I worked) who had 6 abortions. She said she preferred that to bothering with birth control.
This was in the early '80's before awareness of the AIDS epidemic and before Rock Hudson died. Abortion rights were still relatively new and one night stands and cocaine were "a thing" in some circles.
Where have you been?
That is only one of the many ways Republicans are trying to erode a woman's right to choose.
There will be a push for religious freedom laws, and possibly attempts to ebb away at abortion. It's also dependent on the abortion case before the Supreme Court as well. If the Court agrees that restrictions that Texas put in place are onerous, than you won't see much movement with abortion laws. Anti abortion activists will have to regroup after that as well. If they go the opposite way, than you will see renewed pushes to make abortions illegal in all but name.
You mean like the one enacted under Clinton in 1994? Religious freedom is a Constitutionally guaranteed right. It seems almost obscene to think that legislation is required to retain such a right, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
I love how now that gay marriage is legal all the "Conservatives" want the Government to get out of the marriage business. Funny how there was no cry for that to happen before in mass.
Funny how a lot of us wanted that, but it didn't fit the media narrative of "depriving civil rights"...if the media were to publicize the conservative/libertarian viewpoint that government never should have been involved in marriage in the first place. The only reason for government involvement was for tax purposes and once they started creating schemes like SSI, they had to take over everything to make "the system" work.
I disagree, especially with same-sex marriage. Conservatives can't let that fight go. If somebody like Huckabee gets in he will likely issue an executive order to ignore the SCOTUS decision. What will happen after that, I'm not sure, as there isn't any time in history where a President has tried to do that.
There are also efforts in some states to ignore the gay marriage ruling by legislating the state to ignore it. These divisive issues have created a real contempt for federal government and the court. Liberals think they have won these issues, well there is a chance these issues could now really create a constitutional crisis if just one state decides to defy. States rights is the issue of the future in Red State America. The future of the union is in question and secession could one day be an issue again. You cannot ignore the constitutional rights of 100 million Americans who live in states where there laws forbid things such as gay marriage and abortion. The South and parts of the West are conservative religious places and the laws reflect that, and the more populous North and West Coast has usurped the rights to these states. When the edict came down this summer the govenors mansions of these states held moderate or even Rhino type republicans, these people reluctantly accepted the edict. However the State Houses did not necessarily accept them. There will be attempts for years to fight these rulings, and who knows one of these efforts may succeed. If that happens there will be a chain reaction. Many people are just waiting to challenge the feds, the anger is real and defiance will spread like pollen on the wind. The best bet for liberals is for a republican to be elected. That may cool the anger a bit, and no President will defy the Courts. (Andrew Jackson is one exception) What liberals should fear is a hard core leftist being elected again, that will just throw fuel upon a smoldering hot spot. Also the economic consequences likely will come home to roost for the overspending of the Obama regime. If our economy collapses on a liberal democrat they will face the wrath of the people for having been part of its cause. It is our high standard of living that holds this divided nation together, nothing else. If we lose our standard of living this nation will divide, and it will not be pretty. The red/blue map makes is crystal clear what could happen. All one needs to do is crack open a history book and read up on the 1860s. The Conservative South is far more powerful today, and it has more allies in the West. Anyone who thinks the same result would come of a conflict today is dreaming. The liberals are poking a sleeping giant on this one, gloating over the Court rulings on these issues is not wise.
You mean like the one enacted under Clinton in 1994? Religious freedom is a Constitutionally guaranteed right. It seems almost obscene to think that legislation is required to retain such a right, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
22 years has altered a lot in politics. A law like that would never be able to pass Congress anymore.
Nothing. They lost those fights. They always knew it would happen so I don't expect them to bring the issue up again.
Nothing. They lost those fights. They always knew it would happen but I expect them to bring the issues up again and again, because their base eats it up.
Funny how a lot of us wanted that, but it didn't fit the media narrative of "depriving civil rights"...if the media were to publicize the conservative/libertarian viewpoint that government never should have been involved in marriage in the first place. The only reason for government involvement was for tax purposes and once they started creating schemes like SSI, they had to take over everything to make "the system" work.
I think they have more important things to worry about before getting involved in uphill battles on social issues. Like actually winning a war instead of retreating, getting better trade deals, moving the economy forward again, and national security. Those are the most immediate problems to a conservative like me, who by the way, is IN a same sex marriage.
I understand you want to believe the best of the party you belong to, but the simple fact is they have always had more important things to think about. And obsessed over abortion and SSM anyway. Because they've won - and will continue to win - many local races with their fulminating.
Sooner or later, they will have to wean themselves off this particular voter demographic, but it will be a while yet. They've painted themselves into a corner as far as these issues are concerned.
Just curious, realistically speaking what will happen to Abortion and Same Sex Marriage if a Republican wins, especially a very conservative one?
Nothing. The issue about abortion was essentially settled with Roe v. Wade. The only reason it's talked about is because it's a far easier issue to talk about than our evil foreign policy or the real reasons behind our crippling debt (and no, it's not Bush, Obama, or China).
Gay marriage is technically free game, but still unlikely to be effected. Most Americans are either in support or indifference when it comes to gay marriage. A lot of Republicans I know simply find the issue unimportant; none have ill feelings towards homosexuals. But that's the division of conservatives right now. Smart ones who care about free market issues, and insane ones who think Jesus was our first president or some crazy ****.
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