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Old 01-19-2016, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Is this one of those lying for jesus thing?

Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State : snopes.com

This chainmail has been circling around for quite a while now.
The most important part of that Snopes piece was the words FALSE. More specifically:
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"How to create a social state" is another example of a political attempt to tie the names of Saul Alinsky with those of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. But the list is not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, nor does it even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about "controlling health care" is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of "increasing the poverty level as high as possible" is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve).
So, we've had a series of posts based on a complete fabrication. Those ultra-cons just love to make up shid and pass it off. It's the ultimate strawman.

 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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The most important part of that Snopes piece was the words FALSE. More specifically:
So, we've had a series of posts based on a complete fabrication.
Snopes can be, and often is, misleading. Anyone who quotes snopes and takes it as gospel is also misleading.
 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Snopes can be, and often is, misleading. Anyone who quotes snopes and takes it as gospel is also misleading.
Then show us all where anything quoted in post#1 came from something Allinsky actually wrote. Psst, you won't be able to because it never came from anything Allinsky wrote. It was fabricated by the right-wing, for the purpose of being a strawman.
 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by MetroWord View Post
Is this one of those lying for jesus thing?

Saul Alinsky: How to Create a Social State : snopes.com

This chainmail has been circling around for quite a while now.
Thank you for the link.

His rules for radicals is the playbook for most politicians, regardless of partisanship.

Compare thes rules to the campaign of every 2016 candidate.
 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Thank you for the link.

His rules for radicals is the playbook for most politicians, regardless of partisanship.

Compare thes rules to the campaign of every 2016 candidate.
As the Snopes piece said, "Alinsky's list is devoted solely to tactics (i.e., methods for accomplishing goals) and does not specify any particular targets [policies] of those tactics (e.g., health care, religion, gun control)"
 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
The most important part of that Snopes piece was the words FALSE. More specifically:
So, we've had a series of posts based on a complete fabrication. Those ultra-cons just love to make up shid and pass it off. It's the ultimate strawman.
The Internet and social media were game changers.

People believe anything when it seems to validate their perceptions, often built on a house of cards.

It goes beyond partisanship.
 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:49 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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As the Snopes piece said, "Alinsky's list is devoted solely to tactics (i.e., methods for accomplishing goals) and does not specify any particular targets [policies] of those tactics (e.g., health care, religion, gun control)"
That's what makes them so useful -- a perfect guide, don't you think? And it's clear to the thoughtful observer of events that it fits like a glove.
 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:52 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I don't know if OP knows ~ but Obama will soon be out of the WH - leaving on his own terms.


Save your silly theories for the next President.
 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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Thanks in part to our current president all 8 levels of control are now in full force here in the U.S.
 
Old 01-19-2016, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Snopes can be, and often is, misleading. Anyone who quotes snopes and takes it as gospel is also misleading.

Not true in this case.

Alinsky's Rules for Radicals was published in 1971 shortly before his sudden death.

Snopes quoted directly from Alinskt's book, not the fiction within the OP's link.
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