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Old 01-21-2016, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If Palin's son does in fact have PTSD she needs to get him treatment and most certainly do a better job keeping the guns and alcohol away from him.

The soldiers coming home from each war were drastically different, people of all backgrounds joined in WW2 but the demographics of Korea and Vietnam were quite different particularly with college deferments, political connections and those able to buy the right doctor. The last few wars were completely volunteer so you have people that actually want to be in the service at least they think so but I have seen more than a few that never should have joined.


I served in Vietnam and it appeared that many were poor, low education and had problems that should have kept them out in the first place, I knew a few that joined the military as opposed to jail time. Most handle it fairly well but quite a few had problem rejoining the world when they came back, the welcoming committee wasn't quite like today but happy for todays vets. Also there was no such thing as PTSD, they were not given attention until years later and the services were non-existent. and he had problems after combat.Hesston pedaled drinking and lived a good life but once in awhile he couldn't cope and checked into the VA hospital. Two decades went by and he was still checking in e eye year from what I recall.


I think there are many claiming PTSD that are gaming the system or using it as an excuse for bad behavior, I will leave that to the doctors. It's unfortunate but for many this is a last resort if they are unemployed, if you served in the infantry for 10 years, no skill, no education the future isn't bright.
My Uncle served in World War II and every once in a while he checked in to the VA hospital. He had quit drinking years before and two decades later after combat was still checking in when he couldn't cope. He had a successful life and a good family. He battled it with help of the VA back in the 50's and 60's.
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Oh please. As I've said this shouldn't be a partisan issue because both parties are involved. But since you went there.

Bush was president for the first 7 years of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He spent billions of dollars on the military and peanuts on the VA and health services for veterans. Instead of spending those 7 years growing the VA and implementing a plan for how to handle an influx of returning veterans.

As much as Republicans would like to blame Democrats and Democrats want to blame Republicans sitting around pointing fingers does nothing to help veterans.

Our veterans deserve to be more than just a prop for political gains.
Tell that to the left for adding in the Iran sanctions into the VA spending bill. The left are sick people.
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:13 PM
 
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The problems with Palin's kid wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that he is the son of a whack job, would it?


I mean, she is so "normal" how could the kid possibly be aberrant?
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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Sarah Palin would probably blame President Obama for all bad things.
The right nuts blame Obama for every and anything. That is why they decided he should be a one-term POTUS during the 2009 inauguration. In one year, those sorry as* folks are going to miss him.

By the way, who names a kid Track?
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:24 PM
 
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Oh please. As I've said this shouldn't be a partisan issue because both parties are involved. But since you went there.

Bush was president for the first 7 years of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. He spent billions of dollars on the military and peanuts on the VA and health services for veterans. Instead of spending those 7 years growing the VA and implementing a plan for how to handle an influx of returning veterans.

As much as Republicans would like to blame Democrats and Democrats want to blame Republicans sitting around pointing fingers does nothing to help veterans.

Our veterans deserve to be more than just a prop for political gains.
Reading this little exchange reminded me how much we go on about what the other side thinks and does and how little we really know, including me, about what legislation actually manages to pass through Congress and which representatives voted "yea" or "nay," most certainly including myself. Try and get any real easy way to figure out who voted for what, let alone for what reasons, and you're in for a little challenge.

I tried to have a look see on who has voted for what regarding veterans, and as I suspected, this does tend to be one of those issues that generally gets bi-partisan support, regardless what Republicans like to claim all their own when it comes to these affairs...

On this bill, for example, HR 357, there was not one vote against.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll033.xml

For whatever any of that might be worth to anyone...
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:25 PM
 
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If you thought Republicans actually believed in personal responsibility, I would like to set you up with a Nigerian prince I met yesterday....
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Tell that to the left for adding in the Iran sanctions into the VA spending bill. The left are sick people.

Already been pointed out that it was the republicans.

"Senate Republicans stopped Democrats from advancing a bill that would have expanded healthcare and education programs for veterans.

In a 56-41 vote Thursday, the motion to waive a budget point of order against the bill failed, as Democrats fell short of the 60 votes needed to overcome the Republican roadblock.
GOP Sens. Dean Heller (Nev.) and Jerry Moran (Kan.) voted with Democrats.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) refused to allow a GOP substitute amendment to get an up-or-down vote because it included Iran sanctions, which he said were unrelated to veterans’ issues"


GOP blocks veterans bill | TheHill
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:48 PM
 
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Tell that to the left for adding in the Iran sanctions into the VA spending bill.
This is what conservatives actually believe.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:05 PM
 
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This is what conservatives actually believe.
And no matter how many times it's pointed out to them that it's actually the Republicans who blocked the bill, a few days from now this will be stated again as fact. Probably by the very same poster. This is what's known as willful ignorance.
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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One daughter who is in a solid, happy marriage. No drunken rages holding an assault rifle to her head.
And she doesn't have TWO out of wedlock babies by DIFFERENT baby daddies.
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