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A little alternate history of the Malheur wildlife refuge:
As part of the plan, Harney County ranchers signed a 30-year-agreement with the government promising to protect the native, endangered sage grouse on their land — a first in the nation. The entire project was dubbed one of the “biggest wetland restoration efforts ever undertaken.”
“That’s what makes this recent standoff even sadder to me,” she said. “Malheur had done more work to listen and help its community than any other federal refuge out there. They all really wanted to make this happen. And then this.”
But the federal government never forced the ranchers to sell, as the occupiers at Malheur claimed, and the sale did not impoverish the community. In fact, it was just the opposite: During the Depression years of the 1930s, the federal government paid the Swift Corp. $675,000 for ruined grazing lands. Impoverished homesteaders who had squatted on refuge lands eventually received payments substantial enough to set them up as cattle ranchers nearby.
In 1935, the Swift Meatpacking Corp. sold 65,000 acres to the federal government, funding for which came from Duck Stamp sales and New Deal monies; over the years, willing sellers added the remaining acres to the refuge’s expanse. Ammon Bundy’s protestations to the contrary, no ranchers were ever evicted from the refuge.
...in 1911 in a pair of landmark decisions – Light vs. U.S. and U.S. vs. Grimaud – the Supreme Court asserted that the public lands were, in fact, public; that federal ownership of them was indisputable; and that Congress through a series of legislative acts had granted the Executive Branch, and by extension the federal land management agencies, administrative authority to manage these acres in accordance with the relevant rules and regulations.
The dispute between the Hammonds and the federal government dates back decades. HCN reported in 1994 that Dwight Hammond, now 73, had made death threats against managers of the refuge in 1986, ’88 and ’91. He had also allegedly repeatedly violated a special permit that allowed him to move his cows across the refuge only at specific times. Hammond was briefly jailed in 1994 for "disturbing and interfering with" federal officials and then released after two nights in jail. Afterwards, nearly 500 ranchers apparently rallied in Burns to support the Hammonds in their ongoing dispute.
Your must read timeline is full of unproven accusations, some that even went to a jury, and the jury did not return a guilty verdict. A number of the accusations ultimately lead to the charges being dropped.
With so many unproven accusations, this is not a must read timeline, it's at best, hearsay, at worst, it's a biased smear piece.
I expected better from you, because you seemed to be one of the few on here interested in the facts.
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I also have no doubt regarding the economic impact that the Refuge has on the local economy in which 40% of the residents work for state and federal government. Then of course there are the tourist dollars as Chamber of Commerce Executive Director Jen Hoke stated at a recent economic development meeting said that she thought the county’s top-drawing attractions were on public land – hunting, birding, the Steens Mountain, the Malheur National Widlife Refuge.
You just proved my point. Government employment is at best, a zero sum game. Now imagine how much more productive the state could be if these people were employed by the private sector.
Ammon Bundy preaching @ Burns, is no different than Al Sharpton, yelling & preaching @ Ferguson.
Except for the fact that no one has called for Sharpton to be shot to death or even arrested. In spite of the fact that he is guilty of a much greater crime than the Bundy's ever thought of doing.
You just proved my point. Government employment is at best, a zero sum game. Now imagine how much more productive the state could be if these people were employed by the private sector.
What private sector in that county would pick up these public employees, are there companies hurting for lack of applicants?
Your must read timeline is full of unproven accusations, some that even went to a jury, and the jury did not return a guilty verdict. A number of the accusations ultimately lead to the charges being dropped.
And the timeline provides that information as well.
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Now imagine how much more productive the state could be if these people were employed by the private sector.
I see absolutely unproductive about maintaining federal resources. There salaries go to support the local economy just as anyone else's would. Like you say, it is win win.
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Except for the fact that no one has called for Sharpton to be shot to death or even arrested. In spite of the fact that he is guilty of a much greater crime than the Bundy's ever thought of doing.
The local people were not all against the Bundy group, and some accounts had it at about a 50/50 split between those that opposed the group, and those that either supported, or were neutral. The group also had several meeting with local people, and the last meeting alone attracted 400 people. So, no, not all of the locals wanted them out, and in fact there were a lot of people that were believed in the cause.
Oregon has a lot of people that have been economically effected negatively by the BLM, and the government tying up some much of the land. The truth is that there is the same issues in Oregon, that this is in Nevada, so there were indeed many supporters for the Bundys.
Those meetings weren't full of only supporters, in fact they were told to leave in every single meeting they had by locals.
It's worth reading - if for nothing else, then for the militia supporter who immediately suspects the locals protesting her are "paid actors". There's no arguing with such minds.
It's worth reading - if for nothing else, then for the militia supporter who immediately suspects the locals protesting her are "paid actors". There's no arguing with such minds.
"Crisis actors" is the catchphrase of last resort when all their other conspiracies dissolve and they have nada.
It's like "chemtrails", only without the humor.
He's asking his followers not to stand down. The Lord is on his way.
Ammon Bundy seems to think he has 'God on his side.' He asks other folks to ask God what to do. Personally, that's better advice than taking orders from him or Cliven Bundy.
Ammon Bundy seems to think he has 'God on his side.' He asks other folks to ask God what to do. Personally, that's better advice than taking orders from him or Cliven Bundy.
One has to seek the truth, to find it.
Evil, hates the truth.
The only one that has had a gun pointed at them, are those that have been bullied by evil that do not want anyone to hear the truth........
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