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Old 01-27-2016, 04:36 PM
 
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Who cares about the mid west heat wave in the summer of '36? February of 1936 was the coldest such on record with an average nationwide temperature of 26.0°. In February of 1936 temperatures fell as low as -60° in North Dakota. The Great Heat Wave of 1936; Hottest Summer in U.S. on Record | Weather Extremes

2015 was the hottest year globally summer and winter, and 2014 the second hottest, and sea level continues to rise at an accelerated rate.
There's also the fact that one anomalous year taken in isolation does not constitute a trend.
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Old 01-27-2016, 11:47 PM
 
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It was banned in UK schools.
False.


Do you ever do a fact check before posting such easily debunked lies?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimmoc...ion_and_Skills
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:31 AM
 
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It seems strange to me that you claim to trust satellite data, but not land and ocean data when satellite data requires the most manipulation and is the least reliable.

Satellites do not measure temperature. They measure radiances in various wavelength bands, which must then be mathematically inverted to obtain indirect inferences of temperature. The resulting temperature profiles depend on details of the methods that are used to obtain temperatures from radiances. As a result, different groups that have analyzed the satellite data have produced differing temperature datasets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satell...e_measurements
And this is backed up by Dr Carl Mears head research scientist at RSS about their satellite data.


In an email with AP, Dr Carl Mears from RSS says satellite data sets have about 5 times the margin of error compared to surface data sets.


"Carl Mears, senior scientist for Remote Sensing Systems, told The Associated Press in an email: "The satellite measurements do not measure the surface warming. They are measurements of the average temperature of thick layers of the atmosphere" about 50,000 feet off the ground."

Earth's temperature depends on where you put thermometer


"For impacts on human society and the environment, the surface data are more important," Mears said. Mears said his analysis of his own satellite data has five times the margin of error of ground measurements. That's because satellites use complex mathematical algorithms and thousands of bits of code to translate wavelength measurements into temperature readings"


And in a recent interview:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BnkI5vqr_0
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Old 01-28-2016, 12:51 AM
 
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And this is backed up by Dr Carl Mears head research scientist at RSS about their satellite data.


In an email with AP, Dr Carl Mears from RSS says satellite data sets have about 5 times the margin of error compared to surface data sets.


"Carl Mears, senior scientist for Remote Sensing Systems, told The Associated Press in an email: "The satellite measurements do not measure the surface warming. They are measurements of the average temperature of thick layers of the atmosphere" about 50,000 feet off the ground."

Earth's temperature depends on where you put thermometer


"For impacts on human society and the environment, the surface data are more important," Mears said. Mears said his analysis of his own satellite data has five times the margin of error of ground measurements. That's because satellites use complex mathematical algorithms and thousands of bits of code to translate wavelength measurements into temperature readings"


And in a recent interview:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BnkI5vqr_0
I have to commend Dr. Mears on living so sustainably. Seriously, he puts the rest of us to shame. And I'm pretty sure he didn't care for his data being twisted by Ted Cruz.


[url]https://eecosphere.com/articles/act-like-a-climate-scientist-an-interview-with-carl-mears/[/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-says-satellite-data-show-the-globe-isnt-warming-this-satellite-scientist-feels-otherwise/

"But if you look at Mears’s blog post, while he agrees there has been a slowdown in the “rate of warming” — which, again, is not at all the same thing as “zero warming” — he disagrees that this undermines global warming concerns. “Does this slow-down in the warming mean that the idea of anthropogenic global warming is no longer valid?” Mears asks. “The short answer is ‘no.’”

Indeed, Mears uses the term “denialists” to refer to climate skeptics in his post."
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Old 01-28-2016, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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meanwhile, you will post kitschy snark, yet be unable to provide any scientific evidence that disproves

1) CO2 has IR active vibrational modes
2) combusting fossil-fuel derived hydrocarbons in the ICE(etc) releases CO2 as a product
3) mankind is the only species on the planet doing #2



CO2 has been increasing steadily for decades.


We should have a nice linear graph of surface temperatures that rises proportionately with CO2 levels.


Any ideas where that might be?
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Old 01-28-2016, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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I don't understand why people think Global Warming is some sort of conspiracy theory.

What do they have to gain?

You can literally see it with your own eyes. Talk to the people in the Territories up north.

It's visible for gods sake.
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Old 01-28-2016, 01:23 AM
 
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CO2 has been increasing steadily for decades.


We should have a nice linear graph of surface temperatures that rises proportionately with CO2 levels.


Any ideas where that might be?
Strawman.

Why would you think it should linear? That sounds like you think natural variability doesn't exist and there are no other drivers or feedbacks other than CO2.
How odd.
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Old 01-28-2016, 01:29 AM
 
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I don't understand why people think Global Warming is some sort of conspiracy theory.

What do they have to gain?

You can literally see it with your own eyes. Talk to the people in the Territories up north.

It's visible for gods sake.
That's what the Norsemen living a 1000 years ago in Newfoundland and Greenland said about Global Cooling.
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Old 01-28-2016, 01:32 AM
 
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I have to commend Dr. Mears on living so sustainably. Seriously, he puts the rest of us to shame. And I'm pretty sure he didn't care for his data being twisted by Ted Cruz.


[url]https://eecosphere.com/articles/act-like-a-climate-scientist-an-interview-with-carl-mears/[/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-says-satellite-data-show-the-globe-isnt-warming-this-satellite-scientist-feels-otherwise/

"But if you look at Mears’s blog post, while he agrees there has been a slowdown in the “rate of warming” — which, again, is not at all the same thing as “zero warming” — he disagrees that this undermines global warming concerns. “Does this slow-down in the warming mean that the idea of anthropogenic global warming is no longer valid?” Mears asks. “The short answer is ‘no.’”

Indeed, Mears uses the term “denialists” to refer to climate skeptics in his post."
Nice interview link, thanks.
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Old 01-28-2016, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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CO2 has been increasing steadily for decades.


We should have a nice linear graph of surface temperatures that rises proportionately with CO2 levels.


Any ideas where that might be?
Could this be what you are looking for? http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/c...-1880-2009.gif
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