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Old 02-05-2016, 08:52 PM
 
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Most conservatives tend to believe in the political beliefs of Jefferson,Washington, and Lincoln and tend to support the notions of the Constitution. It is a very clear path which can be traced to the Jefferson Papers and The Constitution.

So where did Liberalism come from? Certainly, there are no references whatsoever to liberalism in the 19th century, nor the early parts of the 20th century. So where and when does it come from?

Every liberal, like anyone else embracing a political belief, should understand the origins of such beliefs. One can trace the origins of liberalism to Joseph Stalin (gee.... isn't he close to absolute evil?). Stalin created the Franfurt School to make the west more palatable to socialism. Stalin and the Frankfurt School recognized the impediments to the spread of socialism were

the family
the church
the middle class

As such, The members ofthe Frankfurt School were charged with creating social, political, and economic strategies to attack these institutions. Hitler, with achieving power, was able to wipe out many members of this movement. Surviving members fled to the US (particularly NYC) and established themselves to continue the work of Stalin.

https://libertarianalliance.wordpres...cy-to-corrupt/

Modern liberal political goals are born of this perverted, destructive notion. Thus, it is not surprising that modern liberal political agendas have promoted the welfare state, the destruction of the family, supported the drug culture, attacked the church, supported wholesale third world immigration, and political correctness to quell dissention.

Liberalism is born from the evil, sadistic mind of Stalin. It is not surprising that continued liberal policy has resulted in the largest wealth gap in 100 years and the subjugation of the middle class, yet liberals do not understand that they are the ones who caused it.
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:28 PM
 
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So where did Liberalism come from? Certainly, there are no references whatsoever to liberalism in the 19th century, nor the early parts of the 20th century. So where and when does it come from?
Eh... Nice rant, but have you ever heard of John Locke? A guy living in the 1600s? Doesn't look like it.
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:31 PM
 
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England's Poor Laws began in the mid 19th Century. Herbert Spencer was critiquing modern liberalism long before anyone had heard of Stalin. Probably the most prominent historical influence on modern liberalism is John Maynard Keynes.
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:33 PM
 
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Eh... Nice rant, but have you ever heard of John Locke? A guy living in the 1600s? Doesn't look like it.
Classical liberalism has littleto do with the welfare state but both modern conservatives and liberals do lay claim to Locke.
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:34 PM
 
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The European enlightenment and the liberal idea of rejecting absolute monarchy gave rise to the American revolution and the founding fathers. Thanks for playing.
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:37 PM
 
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Eh... Nice rant, but have you ever heard of John Locke? A guy living in the 1600s? Doesn't look like it.
Right.....
Obviously you don't and did not realize the origins of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

Just another leftist who can get thier mind around the fact that thier political beleifs were created from the twisted mind of Stalin.

Hey, if you want to be a totalitarian and have the population as a serf class, that is fine. Just acknowledge your core beliefs.
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:47 PM
 
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I'm getting rid of my long, and probably unhelpful, reply to make way for this shorter one.

Liberalism has been around for centuries. While it's debatable as to when it was born, I'd argue that the protestant reformation, which fought against the absolute authority of the Catholic Church, was when liberalism first appeared. The word liberal comes from the root word: liberty. Liberalism would be defined as whatever maximizes the most liberty is what should be done.

Now, classical liberalism is distinct from modern liberalism (progressivism). Classical Liberals and modern liberals (Republicans and Democrats, more or less) would argue about what specifically the most liberty means. Currently, the Republican party tends to have minimal value in your civil liberty but is very much interested in deregulating the economy to maximize economic liberty. The Democrats are more so on the other side.

But if you cannot comprehend the differences between liberalism, progressivism, communism, socialist, and stalinism, then perhaps you are just not intelligent enough to talk about this subject at all. By the way, a wordpress blog is not a very convincing source, especially one that starts off by warning the viewers about Satan.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:06 PM
 
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Right.....
Obviously you don't and did not realize the origins of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

Just another leftist who can get thier mind around the fact that thier political beleifs were created from the twisted mind of Stalin.

Hey, if you want to be a totalitarian and have the population as a serf class, that is fine. Just acknowledge your core beliefs.
Frankly, I don't care about US politics so I wouldn't classify myself as either left or right-wing. Your post is just completely wrong from a historical point of view. Twisting history like you did is what the propagandists during Stalinism did.

It would have been easier for you to just write "lefties suck". I couldn't have argued against that.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:25 PM
 
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I think you could argue we lean toward fascism. I would not be as strongly opposed to Mussolini being a key figure.
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Old 02-05-2016, 10:27 PM
 
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I'm getting rid of my long, and probably unhelpful, reply to make way for this shorter one.

Liberalism has been around for centuries. While it's debatable as to when it was born, I'd argue that the protestant reformation, which fought against the absolute authority of the Catholic Church, was when liberalism first appeared. The word liberal comes from the root word: liberty. Liberalism would be defined as whatever maximizes the most liberty is what should be done.

Now, classical liberalism is distinct from modern liberalism (progressivism). Classical Liberals and modern liberals (Republicans and Democrats, more or less) would argue about what specifically the most liberty means. Currently, the Republican party tends to have minimal value in your civil liberty but is very much interested in deregulating the economy to maximize economic liberty. The Democrats are more so on the other side.

But if you cannot comprehend the differences between liberalism, progressivism, communism, socialist, and stalinism, then perhaps you are just not intelligent enough to talk about this subject at all. By the way, a wordpress blog is not a very convincing source, especially one that starts off by warning the viewers about Satan.
Rep for that. I can't stand the left but Stalin has little influence.
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