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Old 02-10-2016, 06:06 AM
 
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Do we really need 13 billion dollar aircraft carriers? Was the Nimitz class unable to be modernized for less? Why do we need 11 carrier battle groups?
The F-35? What more need be said?
The military will need every bit of that budget, as long as we continue playing the world police force.
Obama's budget for fighting ISIS. Well maybe if we actually dropped some bombs instead just flying around with them we would need to fly less sorties which are very expensive.
The list of waste imposed upon the military is staggering. The defense budget is a favorite for ear mark spending and pork.
And the waste imposed on the people supporting deadbeats is staggering. You get a return on the money spent on the military. You get no return on the money given to those with their hands perpetually out trying to get more "free" stuff.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:10 AM
 
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Congress in general hasn't agreed on a budget for years.
I don 't recall the exact number but, I DO know that some of Obama's budgets did NOT get EVEN ONE VOTE from ANY DEM.
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Congressional Republicans Balk at Obama’s Budget, Sight Unseen

Nothing more than business as usual.

It doesn't really matter if the president and the majority in congress are the same or opposite parties.

The administration budget proposal is just a wish list that congress routinely rejects, because it doesn't include all the pork for the folks back home, that the senators/reps need to keep getting re-elected.

Congress controls spending. It's in the constitution.
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Old 02-10-2016, 07:10 AM
 
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Pretty much ALL presidents budgets get ignored. But suddenly the folks here think its unique or special. What nonsense.

I especially like the comments about "passing things without reading them" from another poster. Given the massive budget bill that the Republicans just passed without reading. Hilarious.
True that.
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Old 02-10-2016, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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This is not really shocking news but would it not be useful to have the budget director at the panel hearings?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/us...T.nav=top-news
Remember all that noise about the Budget Sequester a few years back? All that business where the GOP, in the face of an outraged media and public criticism, stuck to their guns and more or less forced the Dems and the administration to accept significant budget cuts? Dems are just gushing over the fact that Obama -- after spending like a maniac for his first four years -- oversaw a rapidly shrinking deficit. What did Obama do to help this great accomplishment along? A lot of name-calling, a lot of speeches telling America that the Republicans were being dumb and immature. That sort of thing. All for following through on something that Obama himself promised when he still needed to win political points in order to win elections. At this point, he should be thanking them. It's one of the few significant positive legacies he'll leave behind. He'd have just kept racking up $1.5 trillion a year in deficits like he did in his first four years.

Now you're saying that the GOP and the White House are at odds with each other over the budget? That they aren't holding hands singing Kumbaya and working together? You're telling me that the Republicans who were force-fed things like Obamacare and demonized for forcing Obama and the Dems to actually decrease spending -- are now unwilling to take Obama's proposed budget seriously??

Say it ain't so!!
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Old 02-10-2016, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That isn't what it's intended to fund, and it would add (I read) 25 cents/gal to the price of gasoline. At a time when the price of gasoline has finally come down to something reasonable (from nearly $4/gal at one time in my area). We finally have some relief. And that $10/bbl would not only affect gasoline. It affects things like propane too (which I use to heat my home) and heating oil (I had to quit using my oil furnace because I could no longer afford the oil). It affects the price of delivery of goods and services (over the road trucking) as well, which means you pay more for everything. This is the problem with socialist thinking. Socialists love taxes; but high taxes reduce our standard of living, rather than raise it, and make it more difficult for people to 'get ahead' and make a better life for their families.

That tax would be minimal impact, but those who signed up for the Grover Norquist pledge will be forever burdened with preventing taxes. This issue with raising taxes started under Reagan and still persists today, I don't see you come close to having a balanced budget without taxes. Civilized societies need taxes to raise their living standard.

That is just one part of the budget, so far the only thing I have heard from the GOP is that they want an larger increase in defense spending so I don't see how they even come close to a coherent plan.

So what's the plan, the GOP can't just criticize they are in charge.

By the way I believe the current resolution runs out in March.
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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Congress holds the purse strings, plain and simple.
True, the President's budget is nothing more than a suggestion.

Then both houses of Congress are supposed to enact budget resolutions, although they have often failed to do so in recent years. The budget resolution is also not a law, and lacking specifics. For example, they can resolve to spend 10% more on defense or 15% less on poverty, but not specify exactly which programs would be added or cut. That comes down to the individual appropriations bills in Congress.
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Wow didn't see this coming.


"WASHINGTON — Competing with the din of a nasty presidential primary, the House speaker, Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, has been essentially begging Republicans to unite and become the party of “proposition not opposition.”

But after a brief period of geniality following the draft of Mr. Ryan into his current job, he is facing some of the same pressures that ultimately brought down his predecessor, John A. Boehner, over how the government spends its money."
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Although their reasons vary, the constant conflagrations, ones that pit old-fashioned defense hawks who approve of some increased spending against the growing class of deficit hawks, have loomed. “It is a complicated process because the former speaker, as he walked out, decided he was going to cut a two-year deal knowing full well they would not have full support of the majority of Republicans,” said Representative Reid Ribble, Republican of Wisconsin, who will retire this year. As such, he said, Mr. Ryan “is in the identical box that Speaker Boehner was in.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/us...s-demands.html
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:03 PM
 
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Republicans should be deeply ashamed of themselves.

They have acted like spoiled rotten babies for the last seven years.
Really, have you read the budget? Do you find it okay that 70% of federal spending amounts to taking money from one set of pockets and depositing it into another?

70% Of Obama’s Budget Is Writing Checks To Individuals | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

It is not the GOP representatives in Congress that should be ashamed. It is both parties and for decades who should be MORE than ashamed. It should be those of us who allowed our representatives to let this happen who should be ashamed.

Every person who has voted into office any congressman, regardless of party, who has voted for this kind of budget deserves our contempt!

We should be ashamed and disgusted!
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Old 02-10-2016, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Repubs don't need to see Obama's proposed budget to know it's going to be crap to be tossed aside without a glance.
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