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Old 02-13-2016, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Cmon now lets not ignore how the U S might be trying to ignite WW3. Have people been listening to the {R} debates and Hillary. Some of the war mongers from the {R} side with Hillary in tow have been pushing a no fly zone in Syria. Well who is flying and bombing Isis targets in Syria? so the no fly zone idea is for the U S to push up against the Russians, not the other way around. And what is the plan of this no fly zone? is it to shoot down Russian jets?

How bout all the obnoxious rhetoric about China? there is the Sparta Island debacle going on where the U S has choose sides with a host of other countries claims that China does not own some of the islands that they man made. The U S has even went as far as saying we will have Japans back if there is a war. U S ships are cruising around the S China sea more frequently.

How about all the demands from the U S telling China how to handle their currency, like the U S has room to talk? How about all the blustering from the Trumpster where his plan is too put heavy duty tarrifs on China exports? Cmon, don't act like the U S is not a busy body war monger and put all the blame on other countries. U S war mongering is alive and well and second to none.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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Russia is still semi-landlocked, and the opening of "windows to the West" has been a feature of Russian foreign policy since well back in Czarist times. Nothing unusual about the Black Sea and the Dardanelles paying a key role in all this, either.

And while both the areas mentioned above, as well as Eastern Europe, are much more a part of Russia's natural "sphere of influence" than Western Europe's (let alone America's) the fall and disintegration of the former Soviet Union undid a lot of "progress" for Putin's countrymen (and former mentors).

It's natural for Putin (or any Russian leader) to try to regain the lost position. But the changing nature of the world economy alone (via globalization) diminishes the value of that goal.

And as Herman Wouk put it "Either [total] war is finished -- or we are."
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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Cmon now lets not ignore how the U S might be trying to ignite WW3. Have people been listening to the {R} debates and Hillary. Some of the war mongers from the {R} side with Hillary in tow have been pushing a no fly zone in Syria. Well who is flying and bombing Isis targets in Syria? so the no fly zone idea is for the U S to push up against the Russians, not the other way around. And what is the plan of this no fly zone? is it to shoot down Russian jets?

How bout all the obnoxious rhetoric about China? there is the Sparta Island debacle going on where the U S has choose sides with a host of other countries claims that China does not own some of the islands that they man made. The U S has even went as far as saying we will have Japans back if there is a war. U S ships are cruising around the S China sea more frequently.

How about all the demands from the U S telling China how to handle their currency, like the U S has room to talk? How about all the blustering from the Trumpster where his plan is too put heavy duty tarrifs on China exports? Cmon, don't act like the U S is not a busy body war monger and put all the blame on other countries. U S war mongering is alive and well and second to none.
Bots don't want to hear the reality of the situation.


They just want to post their talking points for a couple bucks from OFA.


It looks like this sh*tshow it getting started.


When the Iranians take out the Saudi Oil facilities, get ready for a few years of sky high oil prices.
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Old 02-13-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Mounting Evidence Putin Will Ignite WWIII

WW3?

Naw...

Relax, everybody. Even Putin isn't stupid enough to start it.

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Old 02-13-2016, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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I give it a couple weeks or month before there is a full blown ground war because if this administrations incompetence.
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Old 02-13-2016, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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WW3?

Naw...

Relax, everybody. Even Putin isn't stupid enough to start it.

Hitler wasn't, Mussolini wasn't.. Wow!
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:02 AM
 
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Everyone gets their asses kicked in Afghanistan. Afghanistan is the mountainous rough equivalent of Vietnam, in terms of war-fighting challenges. It doesn't really signal much in terms of capability outside of Afghanistan.

Nothing is collapsing.

Objectively speaking, Russia isn't to be toyed with. Their nuke delivery technology is scary, and they arguably have better fighter jet and anti-aircraft technology than do we. Then add in China's capabilities, Iran's army, etc. and you essentially have a block that you can't reasonably act against.

If WWIII starts, its ignition will be viewed to be when NATO nations, Israel, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia decided to fund and back a proxy war against Assad that they weren't politically nor strategically ready to execute smoothly.

I'd be willing to place a wager that NATO isn't ready to bet the political capital and fallout that would come from involving western nations in a war to back-up Turkey. Most Western citizens do not view Turkey favorably.
Russia is the second most powerful military in the world, but its technological capabilities--including fighter jets and anti-aircraft--are far, far behind ours. Not to mention that their economy is in free-fall. They can't afford such a war. And for that matter, neither can China, which is far weaker than Russia. As for Iran, it's military isn't even as good as Turkey's, let alone Israel's. Turkey, the Arab World, the Kurds, and Israel (probably all getting backing from America and the rest of the West) all uniting against Iran would pose an existential threat to the Persian nation-state and its proxies. So while the West and its allies would face a lot of damage in such a war, they'd emerge victorious.

That said, I doubt in such an event that the West will ever come to Turkey's rescue. Nobody really likes them, we just use them for strategic reasons. And China has no reason whatsoever to get involved here. They're too worried about their own neighbors and declining economy.
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Old 02-14-2016, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Russia is the second most powerful military in the world, but its technological capabilities--including fighter jets and anti-aircraft--are far, far behind ours. Not to mention that their economy is in free-fall. They can't afford such a war. And for that matter, neither can China, which is far weaker than Russia.
Russia has the resources necessary to wage a war. His people are conditioned toward suffering, and they will sacrifice in ways Americans have never had to imagine. They also have plenty of industry to supply munitions, vehicles, etc. Plenty of oil. Plenty of food. Lots of land. The only limitation would be men of fighting age. If Russia got some of their buddies involved... Even some North Korean support, that would change.

Nobody wins in a war with Russia. Let's hope it will never come to that. Because history has shown, you're far better off leaving the Russians alone to willow in their own misery. Theirs is a party you want to be invited to.
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Old 02-14-2016, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Hitler wasn't, Mussolini wasn't.. Wow!
You're right.

Neither of those fools will ignite WW3.

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Old 02-14-2016, 08:26 AM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Here's some cheerful news to mull over as we drift into President's Day weekend. Remember the Metrojet crash last autumn Moscow originally blamed on the Islamic State? Now Russian media is blaming it on Turkish terrorists and they've announced large scale military exercises right next to Turkey.

From the Observer - "Kremlin propaganda against Ankara has increased of late, setting the stage for further confrontation. As I explained here last week, Russian media outlets initially blamed the Sinai crash of Metrojet 9268 last autumn on the Islamic State, an atrocity which killed 224 innocents, nearly all of them Russians—a quite plausible claim. However, the Kremlin has abruptly shifted course and now blames the mass murder on Turkish ultranationalist terrorists, without any evidence provided to support that explosive assertion." Mounting Evidence Putin Will Ignite WWIII | Observer

Turkey is not happy - "Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu has implied that Turkey will take action after the capture of the town of Azez in Syria, a strategic corridor between Aleppo and Turkey for rebel groups, by Syrian regime troops backed by Russian airstrikes.
Speaking to reporters en route to Turkey from the Netherlands, Davutoğlu said that he had told German Chancellor Angela Merkel of the need to stop Russia in Syria in order to prevent further influxes of refugees to Turkey and Europe from the region, the Hürriyet daily reported on Friday. When asked whether Turkey will take action to reopen the corridor to Aleppo, Davutoğlu said, “Wait for the next few days and you will have the answer,” daily Hürriyet reported on Friday." Davuto

Turkey is a NATO ally, if it hits the fan, we're involved.
All the evidence Russia offered daily at the conferences of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, if you do not know it
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