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Old 02-18-2016, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Many read the article and addressed your points many times over.


What? If you read through this entire thread you can clearly see many did not. It seems to be only about 20% of the posters understand the article.
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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The government isn't asking for a backdoor to be put into iOS on every phone. They asked Apple to unlock it, which they could have since they have done it 70 times already for the FBI. This is just Cook's terrorist appeasement. He's a huge Progressive and is trying to protect his investment with terrorists using his devices. One huge PR stunt.
This is incorrect. They did it in the past on OLDER versions of the operating system. The FBI is now asking them to do it on a new operating system which was specifically designed to provide greater security and privacy.
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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The government wants apple to remove or bypass the self-destruct feature on the phone. Nothing more, nothing less. The pandering to well to do libertarians is weird considering Apples customer base and the request having nothing to do with decrypting the device.
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:50 PM
 
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Maybe a naive question, but whats to stop Apple from saying "OK, we give in, lets do it." then three months later come back and say "Nope, we built this too well, cant really crack it, sorry guys, maybe you should give it a shot." I mean what amount of time/money/resources can the government expect a company to dedicate to doing work on their behalf without paying them for said work? I mean if it was a simple task that would take a small team a week or so, thats no big deal for a company like Apple, but what about a smaller company, it could potentially bankrupt them.
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:51 PM
 
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Maybe a naive question, but whats to stop Apple from saying "OK, we give in, lets do it." then three months later come back and say "Nope, we built this too well, cant really crack it, sorry guys, maybe you should give it a shot." I mean what amount of time/money/resources can the government expect a company to dedicate to doing work on their behalf without paying them for said work? I mean if it was a simple task that would take a small team a week or so, thats no big deal for a company like Apple, but what about a smaller company, it could potentially bankrupt them.
Rest assured Apple can do anything they want with iOS.
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Old 02-18-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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Government cannot stand it, that a company has created a device they cannot crack open.


Like the militia's, the government will make Apple look like the bad guy here. When Apple is just protecting everyone privacy from government being able to intrude when they want.
The government is asking Apple to remove the virtual self-destruct feature on a single phone. This does not impact anyone's privacy. This request does not stop anyone from wiping their phone remotely, if needed. This request does not give anyone any access to any protected information.

If you can not create a password that can withstand conventional brute force techniques (the governments capability to brute force it, is not something than can be done easily), it's your own fault. If your phone winds up in the governments hands, and you do not wipe it, its your own fault. Not to mention, how is any information they find on your phone relevant, unless it's illegal? The government still needs a warrant or court order to review your phone and they need probable cause.

Again, removing the self-destruct feature on the phone does not present a credible threat to privacy.

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Old 02-18-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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What? If you read through this entire thread you can clearly see many did not. It seems to be only about 20% of the posters understand the article.
Did anyone actually read the article?

Even by your own summation some did read the article and understand it.
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Old 02-18-2016, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The government wants apple to remove or bypass the self-destruct feature on the phone. Nothing more, nothing less. The pandering to well to do libertarians is weird considering Apples customer base and the request having nothing to do with decrypting the device.

If Apple writes software to allow the government to do that, what makes you think they'll just use it for this one phone? When this software leaks out, what stops hackers from using it?


What about when China demands this same access to iphones? Are you ok with that? I'm not just pulling stuff out of thin air about China. Read the article a few posts up. China is paying attention to this situation.
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Old 02-18-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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The government wants apple to remove or bypass the self-destruct feature on the phone. Nothing more, nothing less. The pandering to well to do libertarians is weird considering Apples customer base and the request having nothing to do with decrypting the device.
Entering the correct password IS what decrypts the device. The FBI is asking Apple to remove the 10 strike limit on the password entry that wipes the device clean if all 10 attempts fail. This allows them to do a brute force hack of the phone by automating a program to try every single password combination...when the correct one is entered, that is the only way the phone is decrypted.
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Old 02-18-2016, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Presidential candidate JOHN MCAFEE says he will decrypt the San Bernardino phone free of charge so Apple doesn't need to place a back door on its product.

"So here is my offer to the FBI. I will, free of charge, decrypt the information on the San Bernardino phone, with my team. We will primarily use social engineering, and it will take us three weeks. If you accept my offer, then you will not need to ask Apple to place a back door in its product, which will be the beginning of the end of America."

MCAFEE: I'll decrypt San Bernardino phone free - Business Insider
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