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Old 02-17-2016, 09:57 AM
 
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I suggest Apple comply with the Federal Court order and decrypt that damn phone. I do not see any place that a company can disregard that order and keep its registration as a business. If Apple continues to stonewall pull their license and stop all trading. In essence execute the corporation. Constitutional protection of privacy applies to living people and NOT to a dead terrorist's phone.
There is only one problem with your suggestion. It doesn't follow the law.

Apple has standing to fight this all the was to SCOTUS.
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Old 02-17-2016, 09:58 AM
 
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In the past Apple has refused the government's insistence to unlock their iPhones.
70 warrants since 2008 to unlock phones, the latest being October 2015 for a meth dealer.
And?
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:17 AM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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Apple has the ability to unlock the phone. So in theory it's already hackable.
As I understand it, no, Apple can not unlock the phone. The FBI is asking them to write new OS software to make that possible.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:17 AM
 
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awesome, one dead terrorist manages to put Apple out of business
See you already forgot. We have 14 dead Americans and families torn apart, 2 dead terrorists

At first Apple said "No". because it was based on theory of an attack, odds are low blah-blah, now it happened ..Oh, it wont happen again...blah-blah.. until it does. Tsarnaev bros., San Bernardino couple .....

Reasons to keep it unhackable if you're:
pro-terrorists
pro- child porn
pro-sex trafficking
pro-drug dealing
So, the common person needs to keep their private messages undetectable in the event they are a suspect for what reason.....??

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Old 02-17-2016, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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We need to understand the issue. There is no key to unlock the phone. What they are seeking is to get past the Apple key board lock which is some relatively simple key sequence. They could find it in a reasonable period of time by simply trying all the codes. But the phone has a mechanism that prevents that...it basically destroys itself if ten incorrect attempts are made.

It is that self destruct mechanism that the Feds want Apple to bypass. And, if Apple does, it is only a matter of time until the bypass code becomes available to the world. This sort of thing is carried in the head of a programmer. Securing the code would really have little use if you know how to do it.

There are simple code packages that will encrypt past the ability of any known decryption. So the bad guys can already encrypt specifics. But the basic privacy of the phone is going to be gone if Apple allows the creation of this software.

So basically the question is whether or not a secure phone is allowable. And if not it would appear clear that virtually all financial capabilities and personal information could no longer be stored on a phone.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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As I understand it, no, Apple can not unlock the phone. The FBI is asking them to write new OS software to make that possible.
Carefully and slowly read this:

Apple has the secret keys to create the software to unlock the phone.

So yes they can unlock it.



Where do you people come from.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Carefully and slowly read this:

Apple has the secret keys to create the software to unlock the phone.

So yes they can unlock it.



Where do you people come from.
They actually don't. And a key is not being sought. What is actually involved is a new version of an operating system or pieces there of that could be loaded and bypass the key board pin code self destruct. It is probably a rather difficult programming task.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:28 AM
 
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Good for Apple.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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So what happens if the case goes all the way to SCOTUS and they tell Apple to comply with the lower court order and Apple refuses?

Why, except is a few cases of National Security, does anyone need to encrypt their smart phones.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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We need to understand the issue. There is no key to unlock the phone. What they are seeking is to get past the Apple key board lock which is some relatively simple key sequence. They could find it in a reasonable period of time by simply trying all the codes. But the phone has a mechanism that prevents that...it basically destroys itself if ten incorrect attempts are made.

It is that self destruct mechanism that the Feds want Apple to bypass. And, if Apple does, it is only a matter of time until the bypass code becomes available to the world. This sort of thing is carried in the head of a programmer. Securing the code would really have little use if you know how to do it.

There are simple code packages that will encrypt past the ability of any known decryption. So the bad guys can already encrypt specifics. But the basic privacy of the phone is going to be gone if Apple allows the creation of this software.

So basically the question is whether or not a secure phone is allowable. And if not it would appear clear that virtually all financial capabilities and personal information could no longer be stored on a phone.
Agree. Too many here aren't looking at the big picture.
They only see 2 dead terrorists and no issue with forcing Apple to unlock the phone.
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