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Here's an idea... all you folks that think it's a swell idea to allow the government to bust into your phone (aka "I have nothing to hide") post you PIN number and phone number in this thread. Heck, I could use a new computer on your Master Card and I'm sure we all would enjoy photos of your wife, girlfriend and kids.
*crickets*
This is a search warrant through a judge, your post makes no sense.
kidnappers, rapists, drug traffickers, terror cells, (foreign and American), sex-trafficking organziations, Sony studios hackers all rose up to clap. Are they innocent in our utopian land?
The innocent are the 14 dead in SB. The 100+ in Paris but you don't count them since they don't fall under the U.S. constitution but they are a western country ALLY and number one tourist spot for Americans.
The innocent citizens are trying to fight Cyber-crimes and yet they should leave this phone as a safe haven for them? c'mon.
I don't agree with tapping/collecting data 100% either, but there are cases where it's warranted.
Is Apple saying no to letting a Fed sit there while an Apple engineer retrieves the data? They should at least get the data from a dead terrorist. Murderers should not be allowed privacy rights for communication.
Well, it is 50/50 in this debate per the media.
Disclosure: Owner of Samsung Galaxy
Just because you can list a lot of really bad people that do really bad things, does not mean that the rest of us give up our rights, sorry. The only way for Apple to crack the phone for the government results in every single other iPhone user having significantly reduced security on their phones because now there is a documented method for doing this out in the wild now.
Take it a step further, because this isn't something that can be looked at with blinders on. Lets say 3-5 years down the road, its widely common that the front door and garage door on your house can be locked/unlocked from your cell phone through an app....well the same number of ugly criminals that you list are still out there, should the government have a special key for that app that opens the front door of any american that they want?
A lot of people are misunderstanding what is going on here. It's not as if the Feds are simply asking to take the phone into the Apple store, and the guy at the Genius Bar can put in a few codes and the phone is unlocked.
Apple is essentially saying there is currently no way to unlock the phone. If they create a way, it will not be unique to just this one phone, but will create a backdoor that can be replicated to access any phone. Think of it as a house - if you build a house with no door, no windows, etc. no one may ever be able to get in or out. But if you build a secret trap door, and only tell your best friend - well, now that opens up Pandora's box for not only your best friend, but anyone else that is able to find that trap door.
There is no easy answer. One of my biggest concerns is that a company like Apple isn't exactly a US company. Yes, they are headquartered in Cali, etc. But they have truly global operations. What happens when the Russian gov't, or Chinese court order them to do the same?
I think a huge issue that will face us in the coming generation is the blurred lines of what countries multi-national corporations are essentially loyal to.
Just because you can list a lot of really bad people that do really bad things, does not mean that the rest of us give up our rights, sorry. The only way for Apple to crack the phone for the government results in every single other iPhone user having significantly reduced security on their phones because now there is a documented method for doing this out in the wild now.
Take it a step further, because this isn't something that can be looked at with blinders on. Lets say 3-5 years down the road, its widely common that the front door and garage door on your house can be locked/unlocked from your cell phone through an app....well the same number of ugly criminals that you list are still out there, should the government have a special key for that app that opens the front door of any american that they want?
Amen.
Sad to see how many Americans willingly would give up their right to privacy.
Who are these people that trust the FBI or our Federal Government? I don't know any...
Will Trump supporters be aghast? Will they support his position? Or will those Trump supporters inhabiting this thread change their previously held opinions?
We shall see.
IF it is true that this would require Apple to create a new OS that would actually affect other users who are NOT doing anything wrong, then yes, I completely disagree with Trump, ("aghast" is a little dramatic, don't you think) on this issue.
I'm against wire tapping, I'm against the Patriot Act, and I'm against forcing a company to unlock a phone if part of that requirement causes any possible intrusion to innocent citizens' phones. The fact that the government has been trying to make Apple do this for non terrorist activities is a red flag to me. I don't agree with giving up rights in the name of "security", and it has nothing to do with, "well if you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you care", it has everything to do with keeping the government out of my business as much as possible. (For the record, I don't own a cell phone.)
IF it is true that this would require Apple to create a new OS that would actually affect other users who are NOT doing anything wrong, then yes, I completely disagree with Trump, ("aghast" is a little dramatic, don't you think) on this issue.
I'm against wire tapping, I'm against the Patriot Act, and I'm against forcing a company to unlock a phone if part of that requirement causes any possible intrusion to innocent citizens' phones. The fact that the government has been trying to make Apple do this for non terrorist activities is a red flag to me. I don't agree with giving up rights in the name of "security", and it has nothing to do with, "well if you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you care", it has everything to do with keeping the government out of my business as much as possible. (For the record, I don't own a cell phone.)
We will see what Apple's response will be right now we don't know that a solution would impact all users.
Just because you can list a lot of really bad people that do really bad things, does not mean that the rest of us give up our rights, sorry. The only way for Apple to crack the phone for the government results in every single other iPhone user having significantly reduced security on their phones because now there is a documented method for doing this out in the wild now.
Take it a step further, because this isn't something that can be looked at with blinders on. Lets say 3-5 years down the road, its widely common that the front door and garage door on your house can be locked/unlocked from your cell phone through an app....well the same number of ugly criminals that you list are still out there (2), should the government have a special key for that app that opens the front door of any american that they want?
1. Your first sentence is funny. sounds Trump-ish.
2. Yes, but the criminal population will be reduced on the outside. I know, I know for every drug lord or terrorist, we put away, another will replace them. The law of the land.
So, why can't Apple open it under the govt's watch, then they don't give them anything?
Is it because they don't want to help get other terrorists, it's not my job, not my worries (until it is a relative of one of their own)
Just because you can list a lot of really bad people that do really bad things, does not mean that the rest of us give up our rights, sorry. The only way for Apple to crack the phone for the government results in every single other iPhone user having significantly reduced security on their phones because now there is a documented method for doing this out in the wild now.
Take it a step further, because this isn't something that can be looked at with blinders on. Lets say 3-5 years down the road, its widely common that the front door and garage door on your house can be locked/unlocked from your cell phone through an app....well the same number of ugly criminals that you list are still out there, should the government have a special key for that app that opens the front door of any american that they want?
It won't be out in the wild. Man you people are too damn paranoid.
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Amen.
