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The only thing that bothered me about the ruling was that many of these states voted on the legalization/banning of gay marriage, and it sets a dangerous precedent that something voted on by the people is overturned in one fell swoop. A very dangerous precedent that ought to scare a lot of people. Who is to say anything we vote on can't be overturned just because someone doesn't like it?
It's not about how much support the LGBT movement had gained leading up to the SCOTUS decision. It's about rendering voting, something that's at the root of our status as a democracy, effectively meaningless.
This issue should have gone to a vote in the places, such as Ohio where I live, that voted it illegal. Given the popular feelings in this country, I am confident it would have been legalized in most or all of the 50 states, and that's how it should have been done.
To listen to you, each state should have been granted the right to decide upon a vote of its people when it was the right time to abolish slavery.
Well, for one.... No one is born gay. That would be genetically then, if they were.
Since gays were not in the breeding class, that gene is not passes to any offspring. It gets culled from the species.
Being gay, is taught. It is learned.
Then why do only about 2% of the population want to be taught how to be gay?
Well, for one.... No one is born gay. That would be genetically then, if they were.
Since gays were not in the breeding class, that gene is not passes to any offspring. It gets culled from the species.
Being gay, is taught. It is learned.
You've been told before why your conception of genetics is flawed, to put it mildly. All the evidence is that sexual preference, like a lot of other human traits, is genetic.
But even if it weren't, so what? Religion is clearly learned behavior. Yet our society manages to accommodate different religious beliefs. Not only do we manage to accommodate them, we have contempt for societies that don't accommodate them.
why can't consenting adults enter a group marriage? Or, 1 man with 1 donkey? There has to be a law that defines marriage. Maybe the gov't should get out of the marriage business altogether?
What's the matter? Are you worried that animals are starting to evolve the ability to sign their names on marriage licenses?
The only thing that bothered me about the ruling was that many of these states voted on the legalization/banning of gay marriage, and it sets a dangerous precedent that something voted on by the people is overturned in one fell swoop. A very dangerous precedent that ought to scare a lot of people. Who is to say anything we vote on can't be overturned just because someone doesn't like it?
It's not about how much support the LGBT movement had gained leading up to the SCOTUS decision. It's about rendering voting, something that's at the root of our status as a democracy, effectively meaningless.
This issue should have gone to a vote in the places, such as Ohio where I live, that voted it illegal. Given the popular feelings in this country, I am confident it would have been legalized in most or all of the 50 states, and that's how it should have been done.
You really think that the SCOTUS upholding its own precedents is dangerous?
In Obergefell, SCOTUS reiterated two legal principles, neither of which are groundbreaking -
1) marriage is a basic human right
2) people who are legally married in one state are legally married in all states.
That's it.
And BTW, the root of our democracy is that all people have basic human rights which *no one* can take away.
A few years ago, my parents had a group of people come by petitioning for speed bumps in the neighborhood. "they will keep us safe". "Speed bumps are needed to save lives", etc.
My Dad signed it... When speed bumps were actually built on his street, he hated it. he wished he never signed that petition.
So, be careful what you wish for. I think that is what we are seeing with gay marriage. Buyers remorse.
But how do you feel buyer's remorse? Do you lose sleep every night from worrying that yet another same sex couple is going to go to the courthouse in the morning to get a marriage license?
The only thing that bothered me about the ruling was that many of these states voted on the legalization/banning of gay marriage, and it sets a dangerous precedent that something voted on by the people is overturned in one fell swoop. A very dangerous precedent that ought to scare a lot of people. Who is to say anything we vote on can't be overturned just because someone doesn't like it?
It's not about how much support the LGBT movement had gained leading up to the SCOTUS decision. It's about rendering voting, something that's at the root of our status as a democracy, effectively meaningless.
This issue should have gone to a vote in the places, such as Ohio where I live, that voted it illegal. Given the popular feelings in this country, I am confident it would have been legalized in most or all of the 50 states, and that's how it should have been done.
Interracial marriage was not legalized because of popular vote, if it had been left up to popular vote, it never would have happened. At the time in 1967, over 70% of the population was against interracial marriage and it took a judicial order. Rights for any person or group is not up to a decision of popular vote, that is tryanny of the majority and all of those laws against same sex marriage should have had us all scared, it set a precedent that any minority, no matter their population size, could have their rights removed by popular vote. It would never ever have stood if it were bans on interracial marriage being re instated, or laws against Jews, Blacks, or any minority, but some how it is OK with you and others because it was "the gays", not You. See the problem there? Have any sort of empathy to see what it is like being gay and ones rights being decided upon by the religious majority, that any moment your rights may be conscripted? Try putting on those shoes before saying it is okay to deny gays the same rights as straights, to make them legal second class citizens taxed as full citizens.
An issue cannot take a step backwards when it is against the rules of our Maker. It is dead in the water and just doesn't recognize it. I don't see it as an issue. It is a sin. Nobody has the power to change that. A sin is a sin and always be a sin. Deciding it is all right is above the SCOTUS pay grade. All the legal documents in the world will not change the fact of something that is against the natural order of the universe. Dream on!
How do you explain bi-sexuals? Or, men that marry women, and later divorce because they claim they are (now, suddenly?) are gay? Or, gay people who later switch teams? it happens more than you want to admit. People change, and we should allow that. Sexuality is confusing for many. It's ironic that you want to diminish that. Of course, it's ok if transgenderd or bisexuals want to join forces with gays because it's all the same? I call bs.
Simple sexuality is fluid. Always has been except for the prudes that self flagellate themselves for having un pure thoughts.
I agree. But, I think your misled when you say that it would have been legalized (by a vote?) in most or all states. I think you are underestimating the Christian vote big-time.
This is why the elections were consistently against gay marriage. The media continued to ram things down our throats, and a few states were swayed.
A few years ago, my parents had a group of people come by petitioning for speed bumps in the neighborhood. "they will keep us safe". "Speed bumps are needed to save lives", etc.
My Dad signed it... When speed bumps were actually built on his street, he hated it. he wished he never signed that petition.
So, be careful what you wish for. I think that is what we are seeing with gay marriage. Buyers remorse.
A speed bump is not the same as voting on denying a group of people equal rights. Dumbest analogy.
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