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Old 02-19-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Austin
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With it totally out in the open, and the "in your face" attitude of the perverts, I think people have a right to feel more anger and disgust. This is an amoral, perverted lifestyle that chips away at the very foundation of our society. That is the problem.
And there is your problem. You are an ignorant, hateful remnant of a bygone era. The fact is that most of the country no longer agrees with you that it is an "amoral, perverted lifestyle that chips away at the very foundation of our society." Love is love. The "amoral, perverted lifestyle that chips away at the very foundation of our society" is your hateful bigotry. Thankfully we as a country are evolving past that.

 
Old 02-19-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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The issue has never really been same-sex marriage.


Most people who opposed same-sex marriage would have accepted the overturning of state DOMAs if they were overturned by the people, but that isn`t what happened.


The people were overruled by a Supreme Court that has no Constitutional authority to do so.

Oh well.

The freedoms and rights of gay people to form families and have protections afforded to everyone else outweigh the feeeeeeeeelings of constitutional strict constructionist crybabies who would STILL see interracial marriage illegal in many states of this country today.

Whilst you feel frustrated, gay people actually suffered in tangible ways. Financially, emotionally, etc.


Deal. With. It.
 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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The SCOTUS ruling Obergefell vs Hodges was a great thing in that it brought full marriage equality in all 50 states. With that said, from my own experience, it stirred up a hornet's nest which has set back the overall attitude the public has towards the LGBT community. It may be because I live in the most conservative city in the nation in the reddest state, so this perspective might be out of line with a majority of the country, but here, the attitude towards LGBT people is the most hostile that I've seen it in my lifetime. When talking to religious people, there is a real sense of anger and panic that wasn't there before and they believe that reversing the ruling and enacting additional anti-LGBT laws should be the highest priority of state legislatures and the next President.

Has anybody else noticed a similar thing and do you think overall LGBT acceptance in this country has taken a step backwards since June 2015?
No, many other cities in America feel this way. The US is made up of (approx) 75-80% Christians. This means that those people believe marriage to be woman/man. There are some other things that we have to consider.
1. Most of the states actually voted NO to gay marriage. The supreme court decision is a slap in the face to those citizens and to democracy.
2. We had (DOMA) Defense of marriage act. This federal law was enacted during the Clinton years.
But, Obama & Holder put politics ahead of law and they would not enforce it. They even told governors not to enforce it. And, they put quite a bit of pressure on the supreme court to side with gay marriage.
3. The gay rights agenda has been pushed down our throats for a long time. Most Americans are tired of the bs. In an effort to move on with daily life, many americans have stopped caring, or decided to remain neutral. This has emboldened the LBGT. You have to look at the politics and the money to see who is really behind the gay rights. Ironically, it's mostly straight, rich, white men!

So, the vast majority of Americans are straight. There is a huge market for gays (i.e. "victims") in our society. These liberal lawyers & politicians will walk through fire to file a lawsuit on your behalf.
Essentially, gays have become a "protected class". Even though the constitution does not grant this.

But gays want more, and so it continues....
 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Austin
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No, many other cities in America feel this way. The US is made up of (approx) 75-80% Christians. This means that those people believe marriage to be woman/man.
Wrong. Right wing, fundamentalist Christians feel that way. Not all Christians. Most "Christians" (myself included) believe that love is love and bigots like you describe are ignorant.
 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:04 AM
 
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Old 02-19-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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And there is your problem. You are an ignorant, hateful remnant of a bygone era. The fact is that most of the country no longer agrees with you that it is an "amoral, perverted lifestyle that chips away at the very foundation of our society." Love is love. The "amoral, perverted lifestyle that chips away at the very foundation of our society" is your hateful bigotry. Thankfully we as a country are evolving past that.
No, Todd you are wrong! I read his post, and I think he is 100% correct. We have been sold a bunch of lies. Just because tv portrays gays positively does not make it so. Most Americans don't find it acceptable. The TV shows do well because we find it funny and entertaining. Tv shows about adultery and murder also do well, but that doesn't mean we personally approve.

Look at the actual votes!
 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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No, Todd you are wrong! I read his post, and I think he is 100% correct. We have been sold a bunch of lies. Just because tv portrays gays positively does not make it so. Most Americans don't find it acceptable. The TV shows do well because we find it funny and entertaining. Tv shows about adultery and murder also do well, but that doesn't mean we personally approve.

Look at the actual votes!
Look at actual poll numbers. Most of those state votes to deny gay rights were 8-10+ years ago. Today is a different day. Gay rights are supported by a strong majority of Americans. And a significant and growing percentage of "Christians".
 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:14 AM
 
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Wrong. Right wing, fundamentalist Christians feel that way. Not all Christians. Most "Christians" (myself included) believe that love is love and bigots like you describe are ignorant.
so, you reject what the bible says that God made man and woman? Loving someone includes telling them that sin is wrong! Jesus was scolded for talking to prostitutes. He did love them. However, he said go, and SIN NO MORE! So, we can love the person(s) without condoning the lifestyle.

telling your son or daughter to go and engage in any relationship they want is not love. We have the power to determine right from wrong. Manny Pacqioua made a good point. Even the animals know what is natural vs un-natural.
 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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Look at actual poll numbers. Most of those state votes to deny gay rights were 8-10+ years ago. Today is a different day. Gay rights are supported by a strong majority of Americans. And a significant and growing percentage of "Christians".
Todd, just make sure you vote on the first Wednesday in November.
 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Austin
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so, you reject what the bible says that God made man and woman? Loving someone includes telling them that sin is wrong! Jesus was scolded for talking to prostitutes. He did love them. However, he said go, and SIN NO MORE! So, we can love the person(s) without condoning the lifestyle.

telling your son or daughter to go and engage in any relationship they want is not love. We have the power to determine right from wrong.
1. You can believe in an inerrant Bible and still have a different understanding of homosexuality than the crazy fundies like you.
2. You can be a Christ-loving, God-fearing Christian and not believe in an inerrant Bible.

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Manny Pacqioua made a good point. Even the animals know what is natural vs un-natural.
You are completely scientifically ignorant then, because homosexuality is known and practiced in HUNDREDS of animal species, quite extensively in many of them even.
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