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Old 02-21-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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It's interesting to me that many accuse Obama of creating divides between the parties. It's a perfectly valid criticism. I'm sure there are many arguments that support such a claim. But if the problem is creating a divide between the parties, why are we looking to Bill O'Riley for wisdom?

Is this little opinion piece, which is primarily an attack on the President's character, not also creating divides? Is the entirely of Fox News, which there very conservative rhetoric, not also creating a divide? Are the numerous Republican candidates who say that Hillary will hate them not also creating a divide?

My point, if it's unclear, is that those who accuse ONLY Obama (and I could add only Democrats) of creating a political divide are creating a disingenuous argument. They do not care about compromise. They care only about their own ideals, and will lie about their intentions to promote them.
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Old 02-21-2016, 11:23 AM
 
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He's been great for leeches and government workers.
Been a tough 7 years for ya, huh?

Maybe your prospects will brighten up one day.
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Old 02-21-2016, 11:31 AM
 
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Been a tough 7 years for ya, huh?

Maybe your prospects will brighten up one day.
You're an example of a government worker in need of permanent layoff.
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Old 02-21-2016, 12:21 PM
 
Location: louisville
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It's interesting to me that many accuse Obama of creating divides between the parties. It's a perfectly valid criticism. I'm sure there are many arguments that support such a claim. But if the problem is creating a divide between the parties, why are we looking to Bill O'Riley for wisdom?

Is this little opinion piece, which is primarily an attack on the President's character, not also creating divides? Is the entirely of Fox News, which there very conservative rhetoric, not also creating a divide? Are the numerous Republican candidates who say that Hillary will hate them not also creating a divide?

My point, if it's unclear, is that those who accuse ONLY Obama (and I could add only Democrats) of creating a political divide are creating a disingenuous argument. They do not care about compromise. They care only about their own ideals, and will lie about their intentions to promote them.
Part of the reason I turned off the tv news... There will always be bias but one can weed through it better reading vs 23 hours of opinion, 1 hour of reporting
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Old 02-21-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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This is the post I responded to ...

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I If you take a realistic view of what the president actually does, Obama is a pretty excellent public servant.
This is my response ...

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How much do you pay for medical insurance?
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I have the same employer-provided plan I had in 2008. Premiums have continued to increase, just as they were before Obamacare, but at a slower rate. I don't think we really know if or how much the slowdown in health care inflation is based on the law's various measures to "bend the cost curve" and how much of it is based on other factors.
I think it is absolutely wonderful that you pay nothing ... lot's of others are not so lucky as you. But the question still remains for STWR. When you look at what the WH moslem has done TO us, "excellent" is not a word that comes to my mind in describing him.

El Nox
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Old 02-21-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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When O'Reilly was asked how he could possibly defend George W. Bush, he said, "He kept us safe. We haven't been attacked since 9-11. So in my book, he is doing a good job."

Well, here is a President who not only kept us from being attacked, but he actually got the man Bush couldn't. On top of that, Obama fixed the economy, fixed healthcare, neutered Iran, and is about get guns under control; So what's the problem?

Oh that's right, Democrat. Obama is guilty of being a Democrat. Of course!
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Hillary lies to the public, you lie to yourself.
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Old 02-21-2016, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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I think it is absolutely wonderful that you pay nothing ... lot's of others are not so lucky as you. But the question still remains for STWR. When you look at what the WH moslem has done TO us, "excellent" is not a word that comes to my mind in describing him.
You're right that STWR can answer the question for him/herself. For the record, though, my health insurance isn't free. "Employer-provided" just means that I'm on a group plan provided by my employer, rather than the individual market.

As for the rest of your post, I can't actually think of anything Obama has "done to me." I make more money than I did seven years ago, my investment portfolio is a lot bigger, my federal income taxes are the same, my payroll taxes were lower during the "Payroll Tax Holiday" enacted as part of the stimulus and extended for two years in 2010, but it's expired now so they're back to normal. I bought a new house (with a lower mortgage rate) and rented out my old one in 2011. I still attend the same church (we have a new assistant pastor), own the same firearms, hunt, fish and camp in the same places. The Falcons and Braves have gotten worse, but I don't think that's due to any changes in federal policy.

I guess hiring has gotten more difficult as the labor market has improved. Thanks, Obummer.

What has he done to you?
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Old 02-21-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: louisville
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I have the same employer-provided plan I had in 2008. Premiums have continued to increase, just as they were before Obamacare, but at a slower rate. I don't think we really know if or how much the slowdown in health care inflation is based on the law's various measures to "bend the cost curve" and how much of it is based on other factors.
I set premium rates. It's other factors. That chart ... I'd love to see how they compiled those stats.
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Old 02-21-2016, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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I set premium rates. It's other factors. That chart ... I'd love to see how they compiled those stats.
I think it's undisputed that other factors are involved. The open question is whether any of the cost-control measures of the law are also having an effect. I don't think we have enough data yet to have any certainty one way or the other.

As for the chart, I guess you can go out to the BEA website and review the copious documentation on methodologies.

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Old 02-21-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: louisville
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It's what I thought. Meps vs encounters...
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