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Old 02-24-2016, 09:15 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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‘Brexit of Champions’: How Britain May Trigger A Political Earthquake

In this wonderful article, Seth Lipsky quotes the American Spectator for the phrase Brexit of Champions (link). On June 23, 2016 Britain votes on Brexit. Hopefully Britain votes to leave.

Britain and the EU are truly a poor fit. The UK's natural allies are its successful offspring, such countries as the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Israel and India. These countries have been successful, forward looking countries. The continental EU countries are in many respects frozen in time. They're beautiful museum pieces but like their many churches largely bereft of worshipers, are places of the past, not the future. Britain joined the EU in 1973, at a time when the U.S. was crippled by the Vietnam War and its opposition, Watergate, price controls, inflation and the energy crisis.

Now the
U.S. and other freedom-loving countries should be looking to the future, not to the mercantalist, bureaucratic past.

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Old 06-11-2016, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Default Wonderful news; Massive swing to Brexit

Why would anyone over there want more layers of government rather than fewer? It will be interesting to watch this over the next two weeks.
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The campaign to take Britain out of the EU has opened up a remarkable 10-point lead over the Remain camp, according to an exclusive poll for The Independent.

EU Referendum: Massive swing to Brexit
 
Old 06-11-2016, 03:11 PM
 
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How is this wonderful news? The British are some of the most sensible people in the European Union and without them there the administration of the continent will become even more self-defeating and inept than it is now, which is bad for both America and for Europe. I don't blame the British for wanting out, but it's not good for either America or the rest of Europe.

I mean, good for them, but I don't see any point in cheerleading this.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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How is this wonderful news? The British are some of the most sensible people in the European Union and without them there the administration of the continent will become even more self-defeating and inept than it is now, which is bad for both America and for Europe. I don't blame the British for wanting out, but it's not good for either America or the rest of Europe.

I mean, good for them, but I don't see any point in cheerleading this.
They should do what's best for them and not have any consideration for the U.S. and continental Europe.

That said, Euroskepticism always ran hot in Britain, but if they leave, I think the continent will get along fine without them.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Originally Posted by ALackOfCreativity View Post
How is this wonderful news? The British are some of the most sensible people in the European Union and without them there the administration of the continent will become even more self-defeating and inept than it is now, which is bad for both America and for Europe. I don't blame the British for wanting out, but it's not good for either America or the rest of Europe.

I mean, good for them, but I don't see any point in cheerleading this.
Removing layers of government is good for everyone in the world.

Removing unelected EU rulers is reason for celebration!

And yes, the EU will become even more inept than it is now. I would question it's long term viability.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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Removing layers of government is good for everyone in the world.

Removing unelected EU rulers is reason for celebration!

And yes, the EU will become even more inept than it is now. I would question it's long term viability.
Why is it a celebration for US?
 
Old 06-11-2016, 03:43 PM
 
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Why is it a celebration for US?
Excessive government is a burden on working people, freedom, productivity and growth all over the world. While the Brexit may not directly help us here, it's a move in the right direction.

Maybe we will wake up and kick the UN out someday.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Removing layers of government is good for everyone in the world.

Removing unelected EU rulers is reason for celebration!

And yes, the EU will become even more inept than it is now. I would question it's long term viability.
^^^^ Your reasoning had made me actually look into this..and comments ^^ and so many others are really not understanding the ramifications!!

I'm getting the sense that many here really don't understand what members of the EU entails. Maybe a benefit/disadvantage link might help you all out! and just to remind Britain opted out of currency change to euro and retained the British Pound Sterling.

Advantages and Disadvantages of the European Union | OccupyTheory

snip of conclusions after comparing. It appears that there's an agenda by those individuals who don't benefit but the regular people will definitely feel it in their pocketbooks for sure!

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Despite the potential disadvantages of being an EU member, more citizens are able to benefit. All it takes is proper management and handling of problems and the union will surely be able to maintain peace, order, and prosperity among member nations. There will always be challenges on the way, but with unity, these things can be conquered.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 06:42 PM
 
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Excessive government is a burden on working people, freedom, productivity and growth all over the world. While the Brexit may not directly help us here, it's a move in the right direction.

Maybe we will wake up and kick the UN out someday.
But what if that's what they want?

Why apply the American mentality to non Americans.
 
Old 06-11-2016, 06:52 PM
 
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They should do what's best for them and not have any consideration for the U.S. and continental Europe.

That said, Euroskepticism always ran hot in Britain, but if they leave, I think the continent will get along fine without them.
Completely agreed on your first comment, they should do what is best for them, but there's no happiness in it for everyone else and like most of the people on this forum I am American.

On your second comment, not so certain the rest of the continent will run well without them. France and Italy have been terrible at governance for over a century and the Germans are treating the EU like it is the German Empire, to pretty bad results (the German driven mishandling of the Greek debt and refuge crises immediately coming to mind). Who is going to stand up for sanity in the face of those big 3 once/if Britain leaves?

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Originally Posted by Roadking2003 View Post
Removing layers of government is good for everyone in the world.

Removing unelected EU rulers is reason for celebration!

And yes, the EU will become even more inept than it is now. I would question it's long term viability.
Celebration in London sure, and more widely in Europe if it unraveled the unelected Euro bureaucracy more widely, but my best guess is that it will make the EU worse but not destroy it. Europe's interests in the world generally align reasonably well with America's so that's not a good thing for us.
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