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Old 03-02-2016, 01:30 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You simply need a lawyer which our mother was...though brother never had to go past threatening. He also clearly had no other home...which helped some.
That's different.

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Some states beat this by offering benefits to the graduates of the state high schools rather than in or out of state tuition. But practically no state could maintain out of state tuition say for a family that moves to the state the summer after the kid graduates.
Some state universities might switch the tuition obligation after a one or two year period, for example, but a family move during the summer before their kid's freshman year doesn't cut it, and there are strict requirements to get the tuition obligation switched after the mandatory waiting period.

In Wisconsin, the exception to the mandatory one year waiting period is if the student themselves (or their spouse) has been relocated to Wisconsin for employment purposes by their current employer and who remain continuously employed full-time by that employer. A parent's move just to lower the tuition bill doesn't cut it, though In-state tuition will be granted after a one year waiting period if the parent can prove their employer required the move and they remain employed full-time with that employer.

However, if a student enters and remain in Wisconsin principally to attend an educational institution during the twelve months they are attempting to establish bona fide residence in Wisconsin, they are presumed to continue to reside outside the state. This presumption remains in effect until they are able to demonstrate they have overcome the presumption with clear and convincing evidence of bona fide residence in the state for a year preceding a term for which they wish to enroll at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. [Wisconsin Statutes 36.27.(2) Section (e)]

More, on how some other states handle it...
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"In Colorado, for example, state law requires students under the age of 23 without a parent living in the state to prove emancipation, or total financial and residential independence, for at least one year.
In the University of California system, it's two.

...Washington students must work at least 30 hours a week at a non-student job to overcome the assumption that they're only in the state for educational purposes."
Getting in-state tuition once you're out of state no easy task - The Denver Post
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:36 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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There's no reason to not produce some form of ID when voting. All of the arguments against ID seem to be really flimsy.

You can't do a damn thing in the country from renting a car to renting a house to fill in he blank with a just about anything, those very basic activities require ID, something as important as voting should be given the same considerations.

The cost of ID being too high is a silly argument along with people not having ID at all. This is 2016, to be able to be living the shadows and not have an ID is beyond me how you can do that. I get the cash only thing, but that doesn't cover things like going to see a doc.

This is a shut and close argument and to me is basic common sense and I'm shocked that it's gone on for 35 plus pages. LOL
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Then why aren't they switched to paying in-state tuition? They live in the college community, pay rent in the college community, have jobs in the college community, pay sales and other taxes in the college community, patronize college community businesses, but frequently pay 3 times the tuition.

Example:

UW-Madison:
Annual In-state tuition: $10,415
Annual Out-of-state tuition: $29,665

https://registrar.wisc.edu/residence.htm

And people wonder why college students/grads are saddled with crushing student loan debt.
Actually my brother is a graduate of the UofW law school where he was President of the Student Bar. He always paid in state tuition there. No sweat. He came there from out of state but was clearly a resident for purposes other than education.
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Upper Kirby, Houston, TX
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I lived in Chicago a few years, and the saying always was 'Vote early and vote often!'.
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Old 03-02-2016, 01:57 PM
 
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I lived in Chicago a few years, and the saying always was 'Vote early and vote often!'.
Considering the dire state of affairs in Chicago, they might want to reconsider.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:06 PM
 
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Leave it to Republicans to commit voter fraud.

I don't see any of the Amendments, the 15th or the 19th or the 23rd or the 26th, which guarantees the right to vote having "must show an ID" in its language.
...and in this day an age of mobility, it's easier than ever to travel around your local tri-state area on a bus full of democrats, on election day, and vote several times, and no one will be any the wiser.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Exactly it's not fiction because some Republicans have slipped and admitted the voters ID laws help their Party by making it difficult for minorities -who are overwhelmingly Democratic leaning- to vote.

Instead of posting and ignorant rant, I suggest you actually educate yourself. This article explains how scant the supposed 'voter fraud' these laws are meant to prevent is, but they in fact make it difficult for a significant number of legitimate citizens to vote. Please read and actually try to learn something:
How Voter ID Laws Are Being Used to Disenfranchise Minorities and the Poor - The Atlantic
Yes but exactly why does it make it difficult for minorities to vote??

The reality is that a huge portion of the Democratic Party's base is composed of people who are so lazy it's a miracle that they got up out of bed, dressed themselves and went to vote at all. Democrat's election day strategy is generally calling or otherwise bugging people in the poorest urban areas to keep reminding them to vote ... otherwise they wouldn't even bother. Adding the potential extra step of actually bringing a photo ID would be a dealbreaker for many of them. If they have one, they probably lost it or found a way to sell it for money.

Look, I'm all for mandating that State ID's be given out for free to anyone who wants one. The only reason they're not required currently is because out voting system is ridiculously outdated. It hearkens back to the good old days when people didn't lock their houses or cars and people were just more honest in general. But if getting a free picture ID is too much trouble for somebody to even bother with voting, then I strongly question their ability to make an informed decision. It reminds me of back in Middle School where somebody running for Student Body President gives you a candy bar and you go vote for them.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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Yes but exactly why does it make it difficult for minorities to vote??

The reality is that a huge portion of the Democratic Party's base is composed of people who are so lazy it's a miracle that they got up out of bed, dressed themselves and went to vote at all. Democrat's election day strategy is generally calling or otherwise bugging people in the poorest urban areas to keep reminding them to vote ... otherwise they wouldn't even bother. Adding the potential extra step of actually bringing a photo ID would be a dealbreaker for many of them. If they have one, they probably lost it or found a way to sell it for money.

Look, I'm all for mandating that State ID's be given out for free to anyone who wants one. The only reason they're not required currently is because out voting system is ridiculously outdated. It hearkens back to the good old days when people didn't lock their houses or cars and people were just more honest in general. But if getting a free picture ID is too much trouble for somebody to even bother with voting, then I strongly question their ability to make an informed decision. It reminds me of back in Middle School where somebody running for Student Body President gives you a candy bar and you go vote for them.
Just think of all the poor people who don't have a drivers license, who as of today, cannot buy beer, cigarettes, travel on commercial airline, open a checking account, etc.... With a free photo ID from their state, establishing a positive identification of themselves, they can finally do all those things that they have been denied, all these many years.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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Look, I'm all for mandating that State ID's be given out for free to anyone who wants one.
Every state that implemented voting ID has a provision for obtaining free one if you need it to vote. One of the ironies here is 98 year old Grandmother who paid for her last ID will have to pay for the next one too because this law was struck down.
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Old 03-02-2016, 02:39 PM
 
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Just think of all the poor people who don't have a drivers license, who as of today, cannot buy beer, cigarettes, travel on commercial airline, open a checking account, etc.... With a free photo ID from their state, establishing a positive identification of themselves, they can finally do all those things that they have been denied, all these many years.
You can add violent video games and lighters to the list. I have been carded for both at a time when I was no longer carded for booze.
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