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Old 03-17-2016, 01:39 PM
 
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"Gave?" Prove that the government "gave" taxpayer A money that he hadn't already earned.

Then you're saying that government stole an additional $1,000 from taxpayer B?

 
Old 03-17-2016, 01:56 PM
 
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Then you're saying that government stole an additional $1,000 from taxpayer B?
Stole? One could perhaps look at it that way. What happens when one doesn't pay the federal income taxes one owes? Property seizure, prison sentence, etc.

That's what makes a flat federal income tax beginning at 150% of poverty level income much more inherently fair.
 
Old 03-17-2016, 02:00 PM
 
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Stole? One could perhaps look at it that way. What happens when one doesn't pay the federal income taxes one owes? Property seizure, prison sentence, etc.

That's what makes a flat federal income tax beginning at 150% of poverty level income much more inherently fair.

Can you give me a GOOD reason taxpayer B paid $1,000 more than taxpayer A?
 
Old 03-17-2016, 03:32 PM
 
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Can you give me a GOOD reason taxpayer B paid $1,000 more than taxpayer A?
Tax law. Don't like it? Work on getting it changed.

That's why I'm all for a flat federal income tax on all income above 150% of the federal poverty level.
 
Old 03-17-2016, 03:36 PM
 
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No, my spouse is a CPA. A tax deduction isn't spent money. Why not? Because it's not owed by or to anyone.
Great, you should have your spouse explain to you then. I'm done.
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Old 03-17-2016, 03:58 PM
 
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Tax law. Don't like it? Work on getting it changed.

That's why I'm all for a flat federal income tax on all income above 150% of the federal poverty level.

Think about what you said. How, exactly, do you expect a weak numerical minority (one-third of Americans) and an even weaker political minority (one-sixth of Congressional voters) to change a tax provision which disfavors them?
 
Old 03-17-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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Great, you should have your spouse explain to you then. I'm done.
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Oh, please. You don't know what you're talking about.

Again... The fact that the rest of the 318 million US residents didn't pay me $20 each does NOT mean that I spent that $6.36 billion.

To repeat: I did NOT have an expenditure of $6.36 billion just because I didn't collect that $6.36 billion which WASN'T owed to me.
 
Old 03-17-2016, 04:16 PM
 
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Think about what you said. How, exactly, do you expect a weak numerical minority (one-third of Americans) and an even weaker political minority (one-sixth of Congressional voters) to change a tax provision which disfavors them?
1/3 is a lot of people. Look at how many registered voters typically show up to vote in an election (and of all who are eligible, 67% are registered to vote).

2000: 54.2%
2004: 60.4%
2008: 62.3%
2012: 57.5%Avg: 58.6%Multiply that 58.6% by the 67% who are registered, and you get 39.2%.

You can do it! Get to work!
 
Old 03-17-2016, 05:03 PM
 
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1/3 is a lot of people. Look at how many registered voters typically show up to vote in an election (and of all who are eligible, 67% are registered to vote).

2000: 54.2%
2004: 60.4%
2008: 62.3%
2012: 57.5%Avg: 58.6%Multiply that 58.6% by the 67% who are registered, and you get 39.2%.

You can do it! Get to work!

Renters have zero lobbyists and very few dollars in campaign contributions. The National Association of Realtors (The Voice of Homeowners) has billions of dollars and millions more supporters.
 
Old 03-17-2016, 05:13 PM
 
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Renters have zero lobbyists and very few dollars in campaign contributions.
All you need is votes.
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