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Personally, I tend to think that workers should be able to come to the US from foreign countries, and I would liberalize immigration laws to legalize their labor. Ultimately, the US is going to become older and older, and younger workers will be needed to support an aging population. Immigration is a tool for solving that problem.
So you'd flood our country with foreigners who would be in direct competition with our own workers? Are you joking? We already have several guest worker programs. When and if our citizens become aged with few young Americans to replace them then we can talk about importing foreigners to work here but that's not the case right now. We have a shortage of jobs today. IMO, a smaller population to fit a smaller economy would be much healthier in so many ways.
I'm a liberal on most issues but when it comes to illegal immigration I'm in favor of a wall and the current laws being strictly enforced. I stop at wanting to see families being deported. Single people, I don't have a huge issue with it. I think once the work dries up they will start leaving, but certain businesses have always been cash (landscaping, construction) and I think in those areas the law stemming the flow and starting the migration back will be helpful.
My fellow liberals often tend on the side of the one world/no borders crowd/America is guilty of something so we should take care of all poor people crowd.
Even Bernie Sanders has said maintaining the nation state is important.
We have the lowest workforce participation rate in decades and that would change drastically if you didn't have 10 million+ illegals here. It would change very quickly. Wages for unskilled and lower skilled working people would rise dramatically. Yes, some things would cost more, but the net gain would be beneficial to the economy and the country as a whole.
A few very rich people would become less rich and Latino activist groups would call it genocide. Tough.
Why should anyone be exempt from our immigration laws and the enforcement of them just because they have families/ Do Americans get a pass on our laws because they have families? Why a double standard for illegal aliens and their families? Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your post.
So you'd flood our country with foreigners who would be in direct competition with our own workers? Are you joking? We already have several guest worker programs. When and if our citizens become aged with few young Americans to replace them then we can talk about importing foreigners to work here but that's not the case right now. We have a shortage of jobs today. IMO, a smaller population to fit a smaller economy would be much healthier in so many ways.
Yes, I would expand and streamline "guest worker" programs. And I would expand and streamline the pipeline to permanent residency and citizenship. We are already greying, while the developing world is quite young.
14% of our country is over 65, and that percentage is rising. Population increase is already sliding significantly, and the birth rate is falling as well.
Competition in the labor markets is not inherently a bad thing, especially if that labor is lawful.
We have a long history of providing opportunities for people from across the globe to immigrate and build their own futures. Immigrants contribute to our armed forces, our local businesses, our cuisine, language, and our culture. We should be inviting: it is our strength.
Yes, I would expand and streamline "guest worker" programs. And I would expand and streamline the pipeline to permanent residency and citizenship. We are already greying, while the developing world is quite young.
14% of our country is over 65, and that percentage is rising. Population increase is already sliding significantly, and the birth rate is falling as well.
Competition in the labor markets is not inherently a bad thing, especially if that labor is lawful.
We have a long history of providing opportunities for people from across the globe to immigrate and build their own futures. Immigrants contribute to our armed forces, our local businesses, our cuisine, language, and our culture. We should be inviting: it is our strength.
Why would you do that when there are a shortage of jobs for our own workers? I'm baffled here. Only 14% of our country is over 65 and you're worried? Why not wait until the percentage is higher? Our population growth among foreigners is growing by leaps and bounds already. There is no crisis now or in the near future of able bodied American workers. Competition by foreigners in the labor market is a good thing? WTH? Good for whom?
We don't need any more diversity. We have plenty of it already. Seems you want to dilute our own culture and language even more so by importing more immigrants. Why is that? No diversity isn't our strength, IMO.
Why would any businessman ever hurt himself by not getting workest at the lowest price? Asking employers to stop hiring immigrants is like asking men to go celibate. I doubt that it is going to work.
"Ask" is the wrong verb. How about "punish" as in prosecuting, convicting, fining, and jailing CEOs of corporations who have been using thinly veiled shams to bring in illegal aliens for years?
Oh, wait...they're major campaign contributors. I'm talking Tyson, Pilgrims Pride, and other large meat processors.
When you say liberal solution, you're implying that the flood of illegal immigrants is a problem (to liberals), which it is not. They want more illegals coming in b/c they know that vast majority of them, if allowed to vote, will support the Democratic party. Ted Cruz said something at one of the debates along the lines of 'If the illegals crossing the border were projected to vote 80% for Republicans, the Democrats would built the most secure wall or border ever known to man.'
The liberal solution is to bring in more people from foreign countries with even lower levels of screening.
Lol... I was amazed that that level of stupid escaped from his lips. If illegals... voted? WhatTF was he talking about? And why are you quoting something that dumb?
It's a multi-pronged approach. The wall, allow the border patrol to do their job and enforce existing laws will be an amazing, wonderful change to the lawlessness going on at the border at the present time.
The problem with walls are obvious, one, is the fact that illegal entry into the US is but one side of the equation. The real screaming would begin should we deem it necessary to stop all foreigners from coming here until such time as we could find real solutions to our socio/economic problems caused by their presence. Making this about Mexicans only leaves the tip of the iceberg to deal with, Asians, south Americans, and others are here doing the jobs we used to do, and that will continue to undermine the American worker---but not necessarily the American economy.
I for one don't care if a wall is constructed, I'm not for or against it, it just seems a bit too old school to work in such a complex global scheme. Globalism, that's a great place to begin the search for what ails us. Like most people the Mexican's are simply trying to live, but in the new global world we have no tried and proven path for workers to take when things go awry in their homeland, running has become the norm when we look at the solutions most workers are grabbing at in this new economic order.
Maybe a dissolution of borders period, that is, after all, the new order's will and direction. In keeping with that economic mantra we can see the reason for one big union of worldwide workers, the power class wants to go global, then we should also see the need to globalize our views on labor, not as an American thing but moreover, labor from all the worlds nations. This is all about labor and nation states having such disparate compensation rates, flattening out those rates will serve to keep workers working in their own nations and prospering, of course we won't have that convenient labor exchange rate working for us as the automaton provider of our materialistic over-consumption..
workers will be on the losing side if you try to do this. particularly in developed countries, you will be overwhelmed by larger cultural and linguistic forces. the workers, in that grand scheme of things, will never be united. you know that. fights have already broken out, moods are running high.
what's more likely to happen is that such conflicts will then shake the stability of globalism and return to traditional nation states. or, some parts will become independent through civil wars. or nations will find a "global police force" to deal with one another's unrests, sort of a UN peace keeping for Google and Alibaba.
Worker unity will never form in this century. It will be diluted by cultural and linguistic forces. workers will also be less likely to move around when they do not have money. they will be living on welfare.
for the moment, what's more effective and quick results is probably sanders' and trump's economic policies. Now, sanders have weakened his voice on certain issues because of the multicultural left and immigrant advocates. See, right there, workers in america don't unite; they want to talk about race and ethnicity. and that's worse once you put that on a global scale. that leaves trump and his policies. but his policies are too extreme for chicken-little americans who embrace "american values" of more immigrants and "stop those deportations" or the european fantasy of "muslims embracing european values." What a bunch of left-wing idiocy. you can almost say that these people deserve it. what else can you say? trump's policies are also not in the favor of our businesses and employers. how is he going to carry out that stupid wall? is the chamber of commerce going to drill holes in it to make it ineffective?
ILLEGAL ALIENS
[] Ending Socialism would reverse the penalty on American labor and end the benefit for hiring illegal workers.
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Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'.
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Read it slowly, if you are having trouble comprehending. A dictionary may be needed.
Strict enforcement of employer sanctions(which is the law today), is the only wall needed... Period!
1986: The only way this will work, is by enforcing employer sanctions. This will be a one time only deal - Ronald Reagan
In 1986 I voted for the Simpson-Mazzoli immigration bill because we were told it would solve the problem of massive illegal immigration. In his diaries, President Ronald Reagan said he was going to sign the bill because we had to regain control of our borders. The Simpson-Mazzoli bill contained three promises:
The government would make a concerted effort to control the borders.
An effective employer verification program would ensure that only legal workers were hired.
One-time amnesty would be granted for people illegally in the United States.
All three promises were broken. The government has made no serious effort to control our borders. Employers continue knowingly to hire illegal immigrants without any real fear of punishment.
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Why not wait until the percentage is higher? Our population growth among foreigners is growing by leaps and bounds already. There is no crisis now or in the near future of able bodied American workers. Competition by foreigners in the labor market is a good thing? WTH? Good for whom?
