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Old 03-16-2016, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The former 12 mile limit was set in the day of ships' guns having that range. Most countries have instituted a "economic exclusionary zone" to control fishing in these regions. Argentina was exercising their authority within the 200 mile limit.

The Chinese captain made the mistake of attacking an armed military vessel with a, presumably, unarmed fishing boat. The Arginine Captain responded by eliminating the threat to his vessel and the fishing zone. As required by laws that go back to the beginning of time, the Argentine Captain rescued the sailors aboard the sinking boat. The Chinese can go fish off their own shore and leave the rest of the world to fish off theirs.
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Old 03-16-2016, 09:55 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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They'll find it laying on the bottom right beside the General Belgrano.

Argentina had better have all their ducks in a row to show just cause to satisfy the Chinese....if not they can expect a long period of looking over their shoulders while at sea.

Argentinian flagged vessels sailing anywhere near Chinese waters should perhaps use due diligence.

Arggies aren't known for their common sense when it comes to poking a stick in the eye of a vastly superior military power.
They tend to miscalculate, like when they invaded the Falklands they were convinced that the British would just roll over and let them takeover the islands. They believed that the international community would stop the British from retaking the islands, and that there was no way the Royal Navy could operate that far from the UK itself.

How wrong they were ... as the ARA General Belgrano will attest to.
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Old 03-16-2016, 09:59 AM
 
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The Chineses ship with within an "economic exclusion zone that extends 200 miles" off Argentina's shores. By what authority? I was under the impression that international waters start at the 12 mile range. Sounds like an act of war.

eta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone
You're right; the limit is 12 nautical miles. But that limit only applies to surface water. I would have to talk to some of my coworkers that are more versed in naval operations than I am, but I think an underlying reason is to protect against submarines.
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Old 03-16-2016, 10:02 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Back in the 1990s, a Canadian government patrol boat (an armed one) arrested the crew of a Spanish fishing boat that was in international waters, just beyond the Canadian limits.

The kerfuffle was dubbed the Turbot War. Wikipedia's got an article on it. Peace prevailed...
This seems to be pretty common actually, way back when there was the "Cod War" in the 1960s and 70s between the UK and Iceland where Royal Navy warships and armed patrol vessels of the UK Marine & Fisheries Agency exchanged gunfire with Icelandic Coast Guard vessels.
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Old 03-16-2016, 10:03 AM
 
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Warning shots were fired and the Chinese turned off their lights and began colliding with the Coast Guard vessel. They're lucky they were rescued instead of letting them go down with their sinking ship.
maritime law requires that all ships come to the aid of any ship in distress during times of peace, regardless of which two countries are involved and for what reason.

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The former 12 mile limit was set in the day of ships' guns having that range. Most countries have instituted a "economic exclusionary zone" to control fishing in these regions. Argentina was exercising their authority within the 200 mile limit.

The Chinese captain made the mistake of attacking an armed military vessel with a, presumably, unarmed fishing boat. The Arginine Captain responded by eliminating the threat to his vessel and the fishing zone. As required by laws that go back to the beginning of time, the Argentine Captain rescued the sailors aboard the sinking boat. The Chinese can go fish off their own shore and leave the rest of the world to fish off theirs.
well said.
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Old 03-16-2016, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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The ChiComms and the Japanese regularly fish in restricted waters. They've been doing it to the US for years (especially the Japanese) and we regularly do nothing about it. They've even fished, illegally, inside the 12 mile limit and we do nothing about it.
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Old 03-16-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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maybe we should take the Coast Guard off drug interdiction and task them with enforcing our fishing laws before the Japs and others mine out all of our fish.
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Old 03-17-2016, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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maritime law requires that all ships come to the aid of any ship in distress during times of peace, regardless of which two countries are involved and for what reason.
Thank you, rbohm. I failed to add an emoticon to signal sarcasm when posting they were lucky the Argentinians saved them.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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maybe we should take the Coast Guard off drug interdiction and task them with enforcing our fishing laws before the Japs and others mine out all of our fish.
The Japs? LMAO how did that make it passed the PC filters of the 21st century.

I'm feeling so microaggressed, I need to go lay down in my safespace for awhile.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Argentina sinks Chinese fishing vessel - CNN.com

some might say this is an act of war.

Thoughts?
Just more Chinese hypocrisy.

They openly violate other nations' maine territory while attempting to manufacture their own by building up sand spits in the South China Sea and then claiming large areas of open ocean as Chinese territory.
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