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Old 03-16-2016, 02:14 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Okay, brokered convention if it makes you feel better. I don't vote for the GOP, but good to see you trying to be rude to anyone who posts on your threads....

Being rude? Were you offended by the truth?
You just admitted to being a low-information voter and not knowing.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:16 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Cruz does very well with evangelicals and almost no one else. The victories he's had have been in southern states where they tend to cluster, or small caucus states where they hold outsized influence.


In addition, a full 1/4 of the delegates he has are from his home state of Texas. There's no state left with that kind of home field advantage and that many delegates in play for him.


The calendar going forward is going to be nothing but more northern/urban states where Trump is polling far, far better- and victories tend to add to momentum. the more Trump wins, the harder he is to stop.


On top of that- if Ted Cruz had the full backing of the establishment, it might be a different story. He doesn't. Ted Cruz has gone out of his way to burn bridges and **** off the GOP to the point where many of them are on the record as preferring Trump, because Trump will at least compromise occasionally and Cruz won't. The establishment is going to throw their efforts behind Kasich from here on out, leaving the "not trump" vote split two ways. Cruz has no realistic path to win as long as that's the case.

This may be true and all, but the math in that does not add up.
Over 50% of republicans do not want "The Donald" He does not have over 50% of the Republican Support behind him.
Are you suggesting Rubio supporters are going to jump on "The Donald's" Bandwagon?
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb Contested Convention - Republican's Ace in the Hole

What I'd like to see:

a) Trump wins enough delegates to take the nomination straight up.

b) If not a) then the GOP controllers parachute in someone who hasn't even been campaigning. Willard Romney again? Paul Ryan again?

Of course b) would mean they'd just plain appoint someone with zero primary votes over one the contenders who've gathered millions.

The fallout would provide epic entertainment.

Besides, many of those millions of GOP primary voters would stay home in protest, giving the presidency and the Senate to the Dems in a romp. Not to mention cutting the Pub majority in the House to a thin margin.

The GOP establishment should just kiss and make up.

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Old 03-16-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Trump will be a "lame duck" from the day he steps into office, no matter what party hold what part of Congress.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:19 PM
 
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This may be true and all, but the math in that does not add up.
Over 50% of republicans do not want "The Donald" He does not have over 50% of the Republican Support behind him.
Are you suggesting Rubio supporters are going to jump on "The Donald's" Bandwagon?
Neither does any other candidate. You can argue all you want that Trump doesn't have over 50% of the Republican support, but anyone could make the same argument about all the GOP candidates.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:19 PM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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Mitch McConnell is on TV telling how the American people should have a roll in choosing the next Supreme Court nominee. My husband is a Democrat and comes to where I am in the computer room and says, "He is saying the American people need to have a voice in choosing the nominee for the Supreme Court but at the same time the Republican party is scheming to get someone for their presidential candidate that does not have the most votes." Does the word "hypocrite" come to anyone else's mind?

Then the other candidate is Ted Cruz and I have seen no evidence that he is even qualified to run since he was born in Canada. Even if he wins at the convention, without documentation he will never get my vote.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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If the Republicans manage to have a brokered convention I hope somebody takes pictures, video and copious notes so future political science students and professors will have plenty to write their theses. Good time ahead!
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:23 PM
 
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This may be true and all, but the math in that does not add up.
Over 50% of republicans do not want "The Donald" He does not have over 50% of the Republican Support behind him.
Are you suggesting Rubio supporters are going to jump on "The Donald's" Bandwagon?

They don't have to. Rubio was polling so low in the majority of the states that he was irrelevant to most contests. You might as well ask where all the Jeb Bush voters are going.

And yes, the math adds up. Remember that the latter half of the schedule contains a lot of winner take all states. A plurality, not a majority is all that's needed to "win" all of say, New Jersey's 51 delegates.

Trump reliably picks up about 40% of the votes nationwide just about everywhere (with a few exceptions here and there). His popularity is even increasing, as this week is the first time he's polled above 50% nationally. Again not surprising as winning tends to make you more popular.


If Kasich and Cruz end up splitting the "not trump" vote, even by just a little- trump wins. The only way to stop him is for one or the other to drop out and throw their full support behind the other- but neither will if they think they have a chance to win a brokered convention.
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:25 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Neither does any other candidate. You can argue all you want that Trump doesn't have over 50% of the Republican support, but anyone could make the same argument about all the GOP candidates.

So, Rubio support is going to go jump on the Trump bandwagon? Kaiske is all the sudden going to get Rubio's support and keep it evenly split? Come the second vote, Rubio is not there, he conceded. So who are those delegates going to support? Trump?
Remember, Trump does not have over 50% support and he is capped. Where Ted, will be gaining support from those that fall to the wayside.

In every state, it was someone besides Trump. 55-75%
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Old 03-16-2016, 02:30 PM
 
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Then the other candidate is Ted Cruz and I have seen no evidence that he is even qualified to run since he was born in Canada. Even if he wins at the convention, without documentation he will never get my vote.

I bet you didn't know. John Tyler, the 10 President of the USA, was the first president born in the USA.

So, there have been 9 presidents, and the most constitutional of all, that were not citizens of the USA.
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