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Old 03-18-2016, 05:13 AM
 
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The same President Kennedy who said, "Ask not what your country can do for you ..." was the same President Kennedy who defined & demonstrated what it meant to be a Liberal:

“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.”

He had courage & common sense, a wonderful combination. Why do we always kill the good ones? How many assassinations from that time period? Those were the 'good ole daze'? Pretty effed up if you ask me.
He had courage and common sense?

JFK was banging an E. German spy (Ellen Rometsch) while president (later Ford banged the same prositutue) and paid a dear price for it on several fronts.

JFK had so many women going in and out of the WH and on his foreign tours that people feared he wasn't someone who was in control. It was like having a crack addict in the WH who would do anything to get his fix.

Interns, foreigners, movie stars, etc. it didn't matter. So long as they were willing JFK was a stuffing... He was a real class act. He put the entire government in an uneasy cringe with the stupid **** he did. Mix that with him having to make real life decision (after compromising himself over and over) and you start to see the picture of the real man you had in the White House. A crippled narcissistic aristocratic womanizer who compromised himself and his country every chance he got.
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Old 03-18-2016, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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As far as I can tell, JFK seems to be the last (or one of the last) US Presidents that didn't bring about absolute hate from the other side.

So I wonder, if he were POTUS now, would he have been as loved?


JFK was more of an abuser of women than Clinton. He was not in office long enough to see his failed policies enacted. He would be hated for Vietnam. The "Camelot" thing is a media myth.
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Old 03-18-2016, 06:26 AM
 
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JFK was more of an abuser of women than Clinton. He was not in office long enough to see his failed policies enacted. He would be hated for Vietnam. The "Camelot" thing is a media myth.
What women did he abuse?
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Old 03-18-2016, 09:11 AM
 
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He had courage and common sense?

JFK was banging an E. German spy (Ellen Rometsch) while president (later Ford banged the same prositutue) and paid a dear price for it on several fronts.

JFK had so many women going in and out of the WH and on his foreign tours that people feared he wasn't someone who was in control. It was like having a crack addict in the WH who would do anything to get his fix.

Interns, foreigners, movie stars, etc. it didn't matter. So long as they were willing JFK was a stuffing... He was a real class act. He put the entire government in an uneasy cringe with the stupid **** he did. Mix that with him having to make real life decision (after compromising himself over and over) and you start to see the picture of the real man you had in the White House. A crippled narcissistic aristocratic womanizer who compromised himself and his country every chance he got.
Granted that JFK had a supercharged libido and his sexual appetites put the USA at risk, but external factors may have played a role in his behavior. JFK suffered from Addison's Disease, which was diagnosed when he was 30. He was treated with cortisone when it became available in large quantities thanks to the work of black chemist Percy Lavon Julian, who synthesized it from soybeans. It had previously been extracted from slaughtered animals and only in small quantities.

Large intake of cortisone suppresses the production of testosterone and Kennedy was also treated for low testosterone with large doses of testosterone. This probably supercharged JFK's libido to the point where it was out of control.
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default IF JFK were president now?

He'd be about 95 years old.
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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"everyone"??
Sorry, but I did not "adore" him in 1963, I certainly would not "adore" him now!
Where did you get the "everyone"?
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:50 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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As far as I can tell, JFK seems to be the last (or one of the last) US Presidents that didn't bring about absolute hate from the other side.

So I wonder, if he were POTUS now, would he have been as loved?
His infidelities would not have been kept secret now.
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:51 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Granted that JFK had a supercharged libido and his sexual appetites put the USA at risk, but external factors may have played a role in his behavior. JFK suffered from Addison's Disease, which was diagnosed when he was 30. He was treated with cortisone when it became available in large quantities thanks to the work of black chemist Percy Lavon Julian, who synthesized it from soybeans. It had previously been extracted from slaughtered animals and only in small quantities.

Large intake of cortisone suppresses the production of testosterone and Kennedy was also treated for low testosterone with large doses of testosterone. This probably supercharged JFK's libido to the point where it was out of control.
Interesting. How do you explain Bill Clinton?
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:12 PM
 
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JFK was a walking disaster. He did not fight for civil rights. He loved hookers more than his wife. He gave the green light to kill President Diem and doomed South Vietnam and out 55,000 troops, He invaded Cuba with a half baked idea. He teamed up with the Mafia (and shared a girlfriend with a Mafia Don) to win election. He picked LBJ as a VP despite hating the guy.

What's to admire about him? With today's media, even he could not get away with decisions like those.
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:26 PM
 
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well I wasn't alive back when he was murdered but from what I have heard and read, he was adored by Americans. "where were you when JFK was shot"?

Obviously not every single last person loved him, but you didn't see a nation divided like we have for the last few decades, and getting worse by the day.
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