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Old 03-17-2016, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Jacqueg is 100% correct. I grew up in Bircher territory. Same script, same hatred...only the name has changed.
Glad to here that. Maybe it will get rid of the stupid argument that anyone that disagrees with Obama's actions is a racist.
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:15 PM
 
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Glad to here that. Maybe it will get rid of the stupid argument that anyone that disagrees with Obama's actions is a racist.
Yeah. People dislike Obama ONLY because of his policies. That's right.

This is America. We don't dislike people based on race. Well, at least not since 2008.
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Glad to here that. Maybe it will get rid of the stupid argument that anyone that disagrees with Obama's actions is a racist.
An argument I don't use, BTW. I doubt you'll get much traction with people who do use it by referring them to me.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:09 PM
 
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The establishment certainly didn't love him, which is why they had him and his brother killed.
According to declassified documents the DoD had detailed plans to carry out a 9/11 style attack on its own citizens, as a pretext for war on Cuba but Kennedy said no. Sound familiar?



U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba - ABC News
In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

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Old 03-17-2016, 11:32 PM
 
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You have that backwards. It's the liberals and progressives who want to pay for benefits and basic services; they understand you don't get something for nothing, which is why they're for raising taxes.
Incredibly or willfully ignorant?

The liberals and progressives don't want any such thing!
THEY don't want to pay for anything!

The liberals and progressives, by Force of Government want to Take more and more from the working man/woman to pay for those benefits and "basic Services".



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It's the other side that keeps demanding tax cuts, having already hobbled infrastructure maintenance, Social Security, unemployment benefits, etc.
The young people of JFK's day rushed to volunteer for their country. The new agency he created, the Peace Corps, was wildly popular.
Hey, you liberals and progressives are free to pay for everyone's "benefits and basic services"!
No one has ever tried to stop you!

And yeah, we want to lower Everyone's tax burden!
We, the working class want your hands out of our pockets!

The more you people take, the more you want to take.

As the old saying goes: "When you (socialists) run out of other peoples money ..."
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Florida
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A lot of folks didn't like him. The media loved him and generated the myth.

When I heard that he had been shot, I responded by going back to work.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:58 PM
 
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JFK inspired the John Birch Society to call him a communist and a traitor. John Birch Society had a huge following in the 1960s and is like today's tea party.

A young Ronald Reagan reacted to Kennedy's election by his famous lament of "I didn't leave the Democratic Party...the Democratic Party left me."

Before his assassination, flyers in Texas were posted all over Dallas calling JFK a "communist appeaser", which is why most people back then believed right-wingers and segregationists were responsible.

You're smoking crack if you think everyone adored JFK in the 1960s.
It's funny cause if you read the leaflet about JFK, it reads pretty close to what the right is saying about Obama. Though I guess you could say that about any Democratic President, but it's especially true in Obamas case.
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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I'm curious as to where you went to high school? In my high school, an announcement came over the PA that we were to return to our homerooms. That was in the middle of the last class of the day. Then a recording of a radio broadcast was played over the PA system announcing Kennedy's death. Almost instantly, the girls broke down and wept- some uncontrollably. The boys sat there stunned. No one laughed.
Yes, I was in school also. Everyone just went home. A very quiet and silent group of students that day.
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Old 03-18-2016, 04:45 AM
 
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I hear liberals blast Trump for using fear to gain votes, but that is exactly what JFK did.

JFK completely fabricated a missile gap, whereby he lied and claimed that the Soviets had more nuclear capable missiles than the US and it was Ike's and by extension, his 1960 opponent Nixon's fault.

Eisenhower was trying to constrain the budget, JFK was advocating more military spending. JFK's fear mongering lies led to more power for the growing Industrial-Military Complex. Ike's fare well address was partially aimed at JFK's fear mongering lies feeding the growth of the Industrial-Military Complex.

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Eisenhower never feared a missile gap; he feared a missile race that threatened what he called ''an age of terror.'' But now he was under political attack and the military, chafing under his tight budgets, saw its chance for more.
Program Transcript . Eisenhower . WGBH American Experience | PBS

JFK was even brought in and shown classified information proving that there was no missile gap, but JFK continued with the lie, because it was working. Just like JFK fear mongered to get votes in the Democratic primary by having his own campaign mail anti-Catholic/anti-JFK fliers to Catholic houses to get the Catholic vote out for him. Nixon tried his best to illustrate that there was no missile gap, but he couldn't prove it without releasing classified info. JFK won on this missile gap issue with his lies. JFK stoked the fears of the American public that had already been frightened by Sputnik in the fall of 1957 and he promised to dramatically increase the US's arsenal to compensate for the missile gap, which stoked fears in the USSR.


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On the morning of his 17th day as President, John F. Kennedy was still in bed at 8 a.m. and, as was his habit, reading The New York Times. One glance at the front page and he exploded, calling his Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara and saying: “What the hell is this ….”

“This” was a headline: “Kennedy Defense Study Finds No Evidence of a ‘Missile Gap.’ ”

Not good. Kennedy’s most powerful campaign line had been: “We are facing a gap on which we are gambling with our survival …
In other words, JFK blew up, that Robert McNamara accidentally told the truth about JFK's best fear mongering lie.

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He was lying. He knew there was no gap. He had been told so by Central Intelligence Agency briefers during the campaign. On the day before he became president, Kennedy was told by his predecessor, Dwight Eisenhower, that there was no missile gap. The United States had a huge advantage, said Eisenhower, “and one invulnerable weapon, Polaris.” These were the nuclear missiles aboard United States Navy submarines in the oceans off the coasts of the Soviet Union.
http://100days.blogs.nytimes.com/200...promises/?_r=1


JFK told a fear mongering lie to gain votes that:
-Led to drastic increases in spending on the Industrial Military Complex.
-Increased fear in the American public.
-Increased fear in the Soviet public.
-Increased fear world wide as the Cold War amped up.
-Led to an escalation of tensions in the Cold War as Khrushchev saw JFK as a hardliner that needed to be confronted.
-Helped precipitate incidents that nearly led to our undoing.
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Old 03-18-2016, 04:47 AM
 
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I think he is glorified and appreciated for the speech he once gave-and others too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YafZkjiMpjU

That video is propaganda. If you go read the actual speech from his library he's calling for more "official" secrecy and to not be questioned about it.


This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy.

No lie, next sentence...

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it.

John F. Kennedy Speeches - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum
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