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Old 02-12-2008, 07:06 AM
 
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Guardian UK newspaper article

Here's a typical article about this plan, from the Guardian UK newspaper's website. Reader comments are below the story. Comments like this are typical:

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The world has so many beautiful places to see, it´s time that tourists shift their attention to other holiday destinations. For the summer, Australia,Tahiti, Indonesia are so much prettier then California. For the winter, why not a ski holiday to the Alps or a walk at the Andes Mountains? Let´s face the truth, there is nothing special about the US, not even the food! People from that country want to be left alone, so let´s spend our pounds where the host country welcome us!
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I travel to the US regularly on business and if this goes through it will have a material effect on the ability of my company to compete in the US market. Sometimes, we must travel at short notice to compete for business.
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The message to outsiders is a bit mixed isn't it? On one hand I'm seeing for adds on TV promoting tourism to the States (e.g. the California add with Arnie) and on the other there are these (potential) new measures. Does the US establishment want us to come and spend money on holidays, or to keep out? I'm confused
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I have spent years defending America against the quite unreasonable amount of anti-American feeling in this country, but the whole issue of travel to the US has finally made my patience snap... It also appears quite acceptable to use the UK as a military ally, but not to view its population as anything more than a potential terrorist threat. I resent that assumption deeply.
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I used to travel regularly to East Germany before the Berlin Wall came down. The border security check was stringent, but by no means as senselessly thorough and intrusive as entering the US now.
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boycott that stupid country. maybe sooner or later they'll get the message.
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They used to call the Soviet Union "Upper Volta with missiles". That's a pretty accurate description of the US of A now, one of the world's most socially retarded countries. Go somewhere else for goodness' sake ! If the USA doesn't need foreign currency then God bless them.
That's pretty much the sentiment. A mix of annoyance, irritation, and "F!!! you, too!"-style anger, followed by pledges to avoid the US in the future.

If that's what our country and economy needs at this point, then this is definitely the plan for us...
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Old 02-12-2008, 07:35 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Including Tourists?
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I see nothing wrong with keeping foreigners out of the U.S.

Now if our military could just be brought home to defend the borders of the U.S.
What about Americans going to visit other countries? Would you prohibit that?
Hmmm.....

Starting to sound a bit like China under Mao or North Korea under Kim Il-sung.

Ken
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Old 02-12-2008, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Here
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Some more stuff....

Travelers to Europe May Face Fingerprinting

washingtonpost.com



The European Commission will propose tomorrow that all foreign travelers entering and leaving Europe, including U.S. citizens, should be fingerprinted. If approved by the European Parliament, the measure would mean that precisely identifying information on tens of millions of citizens will be added in coming years to databases that could be shared by friendly governments around the world.

The United States already requires that foreigners be fingerprinted and photographed before they enter the country. So does Japan. Now top European security officials want to follow suit, with travelers being fingerprinted and some also having their facial images stored in a Europe-wide database, according to a copy of the proposal obtained by The Washington Post.
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Including Tourists?

What about Americans going to visit other countries? Would you prohibit that?
If you LOVE your country, why would you ever want to leave it?

In the 80's our country allowed other countries (Japan, England, and West Germany among them) to invest and purchase AMERICAN companies--making them no longer American. Foreign countries have also purchased portions of our country--can we really consider those tracts American? Or are they an extension of those investors' countries?
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Old 02-13-2008, 09:49 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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If you LOVE your country, why would you ever want to leave it?

In the 80's our country allowed other countries (Japan, England, and West Germany among them) to invest and purchase AMERICAN companies--making them no longer American. Foreign countries have also purchased portions of our country--can we really consider those tracts American? Or are they an extension of those investors' countries?
That's easy. By ALL legal definitions, those are still part of America - except for embassy type grounds.

Ken

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Old 02-13-2008, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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If you LOVE your country, why would you ever want to leave it?
I love my country. But, there are other countries to see - other cultures to interact with - wonderous things to see - the world over.

I love to travel - I have been to all 50 states and all US Territories. But, I do love traveling OUTSIDE of the United States as well.

I would hope that you are not really opposed to such travels.
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Old 02-13-2008, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I think we could increase airliner security by:

Arming flight crew including Stewards
Blocking entry to cockpit
Supplying one-shot pistols loaded with pepper shot to each passenger. Place guns in seat back pouches. Provide instruction by flight crew.

Or

Install a Radio Frequency ID chip as part of entry to US. Install chips into all US citizens so location, credit cards, road tolls can be tracked. Create bureaucracy to do tracking. [/font]
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