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With how some of these "feminists" speak about men I'm surprised men want anything to do with you. Fine go be bitter and hate men and stay alone. Being a feminist doesn't give you an excuse to **** on the male race. I hear feminist from a woman and I run straight for the hills. I don't want to be with a woman who doesn't like me because I'm a man.
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With how some of these "feminists" speak about men I'm surprised men want anything to do with you. Fine go be bitter and hate men and stay alone. Being a feminist doesn't give you an excuse to **** on the male race.
Have you read anything about what feminism, esp second wave feminism, is about?
Have you read anything about what feminism, esp second wave feminism, is about?
That, and it's funny, because of all the feminist blogs, magazines, websites, whatever, that I read, there's very little of this man-hating that you hear so much about. (Unless you consider criticism of male legislators who don't understand how women and their lady bodies making stupid laws about women "man-hating.") There's discussion of the need for gender-neutral pronouns, triggering language, stories about cool women past and present, and stuff like "is Tina Fey's brand of feminism problematic because she doesn't respect sex workers?" I'm sure there's radical stuff out there, but it's not what most women who identify with feminism think en masse.
That, and it's funny, because of all the feminist blogs, magazines, websites, whatever, that I read, there's very little of this man-hating that you hear so much about. (Unless you consider criticism of male legislators who don't understand how women and their lady bodies making stupid laws about women "man-hating.") There's discussion of the need for gender-neutral pronouns, triggering language, stories about cool women past and present, and stuff like "is Tina Fey's brand of feminism problematic because she doesn't respect sex workers?" I'm sure there's radical stuff out there, but it's not what most women who identify with feminism think en masse.
This is becuase the ignorance is going both ways, not one.
Look at the rhetoric on this very board with little backing, it's both sides being ignorant and choosing to focus on what "they" want to believe it encapsulates or represents.
They will take one or two things they know and run away with it as if it's everything.
The "brand" of feminism that most take umbrage with is 3rd wave.
Nobody believes they are "haters" against anyone, they simply believe the world needs to work in the way the represents them and treats them the way they deserve. It's the variances in this where self proclaimed feminists start to lose their credibility or strengthen their arguments.
I don't think anyone is actually refuting the good or the need to have individual rights monitored so regression or mistreatment takes place, what I see people take issue with is the danger in over policing things that in the grand scheme mean nothing to a group of people as a whole. Just things "people don't like"
fwiw I don't think it's "all" related to gender rights, some of it's an offshoot of people feeling they are owned things they don't need or deserve. The "social justice warrior" type if you wish to call them that. It all starts to blob in to the same shapes if you are someone who looks at everything in a way that desires what you feel is fair for "you" and think of the larger picture only when and if it realtes to yourself in some way shape or form.
This is where head butting will happen between people.
When someone needs to view everything from a place of "self" and ignores or discounts others in the process.
I think the issue with current affairs regarding gender movments isn't the movements on their own, it's part of a general world view in a generation that has lost what it means to actually be grateful and thankful for what they have and are born into. It's a perspective issue more than anything.
It's one feeding off the other.
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With how some of these "feminists" speak about men I'm surprised men want anything to do with you. Fine go be bitter and hate men and stay alone. Being a feminist doesn't give you an excuse to **** on the male race. I hear feminist from a woman and I run straight for the hills. I don't want to be with a woman who doesn't like me because I'm a man.
There are women I'd never call feminist and who would never refer to themselves as such who have awful opinions of men. That isn't tied to a political position.
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The "brand" of feminism that most take umbrage with is 3rd wave.
And yet Faith just spoke to how she can't relate to the white feminists she has spoken to with their assumptions and paradigms and privilege, which is partially what third wave feminism has tried to attack.
And yet Faith just spoke to how she can't relate to the white feminists she has spoken to with their assumptions and paradigms and privilege, which is partially what third wave feminism has tried to attack.
Yeah, it's second-wave feminism that has the reputation of being more radical and exclusionary. Third-wave (more recent) feminism has tried to address some of those wrongs.
I probably would date one, it certainly wouldn't be a dealbreaker. But here's the thing....
Some feminists I've met act very differently on certain topics than others. I've met some that seem that have acted like having too much sex is a bad thing, even in a committed relationship. And that if a man wants a lot of sex from his loving partner, he is seeing her as more of an object than anything.
Then there's some who view sex the same way a lot of other people do.
With how some of these "feminists" speak about men I'm surprised men want anything to do with you. Fine go be bitter and hate men and stay alone. Being a feminist doesn't give you an excuse to **** on the male race. I hear feminist from a woman and I run straight for the hills. I don't want to be with a woman who doesn't like me because I'm a man.
I'm curious as to what the people that aren't feminists believe.
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