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If one wants to compare Governor Bentley's 'affair' to former Presidents, Jimmy "Lust in my Heart" Carter is more appropriate than "Cigar Willie" Clinton.
Former Governor Don Seigelman (D - Federal Correctional Institution, Oakdale) is serving time for his corruption conviction. That fact contradicts dsjj251 (false) statement that "He also wasnt corrupt". Part of the reason the GOP defeated the Democrats was the widespread corruption (and convictions) of the Democrats when they were in office. Plus, AFAIK none of the GOP politicians have been convicted - some of those accused were cleared. Of course if I'm wrong about that we'll hear about it.
Also, it doesn't appear that State money was involved in paying for the Governor's 'affair' (except maybe for the phone)...
If one wants to compare Governor Bentley's 'affair' to former Presidents, Jimmy "Lust in my Heart" Carter is more appropriate than "Cigar Willie" Clinton.
Former Governor Don Seigelman (D - Federal Correctional Institution, Oakdale) is serving time for his corruption conviction. That fact contradicts dsjj251 (false) statement that "He also wasnt corrupt". Part of the reason the GOP defeated the Democrats was the widespread corruption (and convictions) of the Democrats when they were in office. Plus, AFAIK none of the GOP politicians have been convicted - some of those accused were cleared. Of course if I'm wrong about that we'll hear about it.
Also, it doesn't appear that State money was involved in paying for the Governor's 'affair' (except maybe for the phone)...
This isn't about party both are corrupt, why is it necessary to start with "the democrats are worse". Bentley used government or campaign funds or both to prop up the affair, that is quite different. I don't take issue with affairs but doing it on the backs of constituents and running on family values is the height of hypocrisy.
Because "the Democrats are worse" in Alabama and have the corruption convictions to prove it. GOP corruption is fairly rare in the State.
Bentley doesn't appear to have used State funds - he did pay the woman (and several other advisors) with campaign funds (which was okayed by the Ethics Commission beforehand). The State Ethics Commission is investigating this issue so reasonable people will have to wait for their findings before seriously accusing the Governor of corruption.
The question "is phone sex an affair" might best be asked in the Relationship forum. Bentley is a Christian, and as such knows that people are flawed.
There is talk of impeachment but by who, the house speaker? His girlfriend resigned but no one knows what her position was since she didn't have a government office.
Also been reported that Bentley bought several burner phones.
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“We’ve bottomed out,†Mr. Farley said. “We’ve got a speaker of the House that’s got 23 felony violations for using his office for personal gain, and now we’ve got a governor who’s using his office for God knows what.â€
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If one wants to compare Governor Bentley's 'affair' to former Presidents, Jimmy "Lust in my Heart" Carter is more appropriate than "Cigar Willie" Clinton.
Former Governor Don Seigelman (D - Federal Correctional Institution, Oakdale) is serving time for his corruption conviction. That fact contradicts dsjj251 (false) statement that "He also wasnt corrupt". Part of the reason the GOP defeated the Democrats was the widespread corruption (and convictions) of the Democrats when they were in office. Plus, AFAIK none of the GOP politicians have been convicted - some of those accused were cleared. Of course if I'm wrong about that we'll hear about it.
Also, it doesn't appear that State money was involved in paying for the Governor's 'affair' (except maybe for the phone)...
100 attornies general, Democrat, Independent and Republican, say the charge is bogus.
He is in jail because Republicans claimed he was being bribed to put Richard Scrushy on a State board he was already a member of, as well as for his support for a state lottery, something the Democrtic Party of Alabama has been in favor of long before any of that came up.
Is it corruption for Planned Parenthood to donate to Democrats, how about Charles Koch to Republicans ? If What governor siegelman did was corruption then every politician is guilty of it.
Further more, no one calls it corruption when the Poarch Creek Indians donate to Republican candidates so they can keep a monopoly on gambling.
As for no convictions when it comes to the State Republicans, thats a nice choice of words. But it is true that you are not technically convicted when you take a plea deal
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Because "the Democrats are worse" in Alabama and have the corruption convictions to prove it. GOP corruption is fairly rare in the State.
Bentley doesn't appear to have used State funds - he did pay the woman (and several other advisors) with campaign funds (which was okayed by the Ethics Commission beforehand). The State Ethics Commission is investigating this issue so reasonable people will have to wait for their findings before seriously accusing the Governor of corruption.
The question "is phone sex an affair" might best be asked in the Relationship forum. Bentley is a Christian, and as such knows that people are flawed.
Democrats arent even close to worse, you could have kept that falsehood to yourself.
You say Seigelman (D - Federal Correctional Institution, Oakdale) is innocent. A Federal Court and Federal Appeals Court didn't agree. I still don't know "how and why" that makes me wrong, except in your fevered mind.
Note that Obama has had ample time to pardon the Don...
Do you really want a list of convicted Democrats? Let's start with the current Chair of the Alabama Democratic Party, convicted Nancy Worley. Here's one of my local corrupt Democrats, Sue Schmitz (D - formerly at Federal Correctional Institution - Lexington), convicted of stealing from children:
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The CITY Program operated in 10 locations throughout Alabama and sought to develop social, behavioral, and academic skills possessed by “at-risk” youth. Students were referred to CITY Program through the juvenile court system. Evidence presented at trial revealed that SCHMITZ held the title of “Program Coordinator for Community and External Affair,” at the CITY Program from January 2003 to October 2006, and received approximately $177,251.82 in salary/benefits despite performing little to no work. During the time she was paid by the CITY Program, through its fiscal agent, Central Alabama Community College, Schmitz rarely went to her Huntsville office, performed virtually no services, generated virtually no work product and submitted false statements to CITY Program regarding the volume and nature of work that she was performing, all in an effort to continue to collect her salary and benefits
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You say Seigelman (D - Federal Correctional Institution, Oakdale) is innocent. A Federal Court and Federal Appeals Court didn't agree. I still don't know "how and why" that makes me wrong, except in your fevered mind.
Note that Obama has had ample time to pardon the Don...
I can keep going with the convictions, you can't.
Just like you when saying no member of the republican party has been convicted(but instead took plea deals), I too chose my words carefully.
Innocent does not appear in any of my post. I said he was not corrupt and stated why.
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Do you really want a list of convicted Democrats? Let's start with the current Chair of the Alabama Democratic Party, convicted Nancy Worley. Here's one of my local corrupt Democrats, Sue Schmitz (D - formerly at Federal Correctional Institution - Lexington), convicted of stealing from children:
You can list all the convicted Democrats you want, what does it have to do with the fact that the Republican Party in this state is corrupt ?
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Do you really want a list of convicted Democrats? Let's start with the current Chair of the Alabama Democratic Party, convicted Nancy Worley. Here's one of my local corrupt Democrats, Sue Schmitz (D - formerly at Federal Correctional Institution - Lexington), convicted of stealing from children:
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As for your overall post, If you are an Alabamian, then you know the ADP only exists in name only. The governing council doesnt even seat new members for conventions. The State senate and House both rebuke the state party.
For Worley in particular, the felony charge was bogus, and dropped by the federal court, she ended up paying a 100 dollar fine and that was it, while also pointing out that Kay Ivey had done worse than she did and was never even questioned on it. At that point it was clear that neither action was illegal.
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I can keep going with the convictions, you can't.
Again, what does that have to do with your party being corrupt ?
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