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Old 03-28-2016, 09:53 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The middle clas expands and contracts based on political advantage and creative statistics.


Used to be a 'poor house' for poor people. today's poor are the worlds 1 per centers.

 
Old 03-28-2016, 11:00 PM
 
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When inflation devalues your money, your standard of living has nowhere to go but down. Raising the minimum wage will undoubtedly stoke catastrophic inflation. Folks trying to live on Social Security will be screwed the worst.
Trying to raise up the poor by dragging down everyone else is idiotic policy making. It seems the logic is that because the poor are suffering.. those who are not suffering should feel guilty and be forced to suffer as well.

My opinion is that most of these people should not be having kids in the first place. Problem solved. No one should even be allowed to have kids unless they can prove the financial means to support them. Kids should be removed from poor parents.

I'm all for having safety nets in society when unexpected accidents, financial ruin or health problems strike. But a system that allows the poor to bleed everyone else indefinitely does not make sense.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 03:35 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The topic of this country's shrinking middle-class comes up a lot. But sometimes I wonder if perhaps the middle-class has stayed the same size and we are just being over-run by the poor? After all, the poor do have a lot more children. On average you can figure the rich and middle class have enough kids to replace themselves, while the poor have enough kids to double or triple themselves.
You are exactly correct:

1) Nearly half of all U.S. births are paid for by Medicaid (medical care public assistance program for the poor):
Medicaid Pays For Nearly Half of All Births in the United States | publichealth.gwu.edu

2) Those who receive public assistance have a birth rate 3 times higher than those who don't. Stats and citations, here:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/32045595-post217.html

3) 70% of those who are born into poverty never rise out of poverty.
Only 30% of those born poor ever make it out of poverty

Providing for an exponentially growing welfare-dependent class is unsustainable. That's a mathematical certainty.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 03:41 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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But it seems at this point the problem is just getting worse and worse with poor people having more kids than everyone else. What will this look like in 20 years?
Hollywood has answered that question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icmRCixQrx8

Seems inevitable when some segments of society seem determined to make it as easy as possible for those who shouldn't have children at all to have the most.
Yep. It's not too difficult to understand the long-term consequences of those policies and subsidies, so why are so many people so completely unaware of the damage to society that results from those policies and subsidies?

It's hard to believe that so many people are really that ignorant.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 04:22 AM
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They're unaware because they don't want to be aware. The gov't and media continues to feed their schtick that unless we help the poor - we are bad people. The proverbial - God helps those who help themselves - is lost on them.

Most people who feel this way - give to charities but have no idea what the charity is or what the expense costs are that are actually given to the cause - but they don't care - they gave to a charity. The liberalism in our colleges taught by professors is ingested by these impressionable minds who have no idea until 5 years later - with no job and living back home with mom and dad - who are still paying their way also don't get it until they're kicked out.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 08:08 AM
 
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Trust in the country's leaders whose strategy is based on unlimited and unmanaged immigration, benefits for all, tax the top 1-10%. These folks are poly sci majors and attorneys... not business, math and finance types.

It's all gonna be 'better' soon...don't worry...move along.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Trust in the country's leaders whose strategy is based on unlimited and unmanaged immigration, benefits for all, tax the top 1-10%. These folks are poly sci majors and attorneys... not business, math and finance types.

It's all gonna be 'better' soon...don't worry...move along.

Here is another link in August of 2015: 698K Native-Born Americans Lost Their Job In August: Why This Suddenly Is The Most Important Jobs Chart | Zero Hedge. According to those statistics; native born Americans are loosing the battle. I have to ask myself why would so many companies turn their backs on native born Americans? The only answer I can come up with is greed and this must be an unwritten 'gentleman's agreement'. Our large corporations are constantly asking for higher immigration levels. By doing so there are always 'replacement' workers that, in turn, drive down the going rates.


Of course; then we have this rise of the temporary workers. It is virtually impossible to look at job statistics because so many workers no longer have benefits or minimal benefits. How do you compare the jobs in the 60's and 70's to todays jobs?


The middle-class cannot win. Even if we stopped all immigration; business would simply retool for more automation. Nobody is going to share the profits with the average Joe.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 09:22 AM
 
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Here is another link in August of 2015: 698K Native-Born Americans Lost Their Job In August: Why This Suddenly Is The Most Important Jobs Chart | Zero Hedge. According to those statistics; native born Americans are loosing the battle. I have to ask myself why would so many companies turn their backs on native born Americans? The only answer I can come up with is greed and this must be an unwritten 'gentleman's agreement'. Our large corporations are constantly asking for higher immigration levels. By doing so there are always 'replacement' workers that, in turn, drive down the going rates.


Of course; then we have this rise of the temporary workers. It is virtually impossible to look at job statistics because so many workers no longer have benefits or minimal benefits. How do you compare the jobs in the 60's and 70's to todays jobs?


The middle-class cannot win. Even if we stopped all immigration; business would simply retool for more automation. Nobody is going to share the profits with the average Joe.
Americans won't take those immigrant jobs anyway. It's ingrained now that (younger) Americans would prefer lower paying jobs or no job to blue collar work. That and automation, what to do, not enough white collar jobs, uneducated or low educated will not do "immigrant" work. Babies and welfare works best for some in terms of security and lifestyle. No stigma.
 
Old 03-29-2016, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Americans won't take those immigrant jobs anyway. It's ingrained now that (younger) Americans would prefer lower paying jobs or no job to blue collar work. That and automation, what to do, not enough white collar jobs, uneducated or low educated will not do "immigrant" work. Babies and welfare works best for some in terms of security and lifestyle. No stigma.

Do you really believe what you are saying? Americans don't want more money! You have to be kidding. Have you ever gone to your employer and told them: "your over paying me"!


Tell that to the Disney workers that had to train their replacements or receive no severance!
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