Wisconsin 'Voter I.D. Law' could disenfranchise 300,000 voters (document, pay, jobs)

[odanny]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

What he is saying is removing those fraudulent votes is going to make a difference.

That's amusing. I wonder if you really believe such a thing.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by 2mares

What is stopping them. All they need in the states that require a photo ID is a photo ID which is free. Many state have a vote by mail option that does not require a photo ID.
The argument that people cant get a photo ID is false. For some it may require a little initiative and effort. If they are not willing to make any effort to meet fair and equal eligibility requirements then they dont have the "right" to vote. Voting is not explicitly a constitutional right.

If you are going to respond to a thread of post, it would make sense for you to start at the beginning. The responses that you are reading come from an example of an elderly lady who has never even seen her birth certificate and hasnt driven in 20 years. Without a birth certificate, she cant get a voter ID> As I said in that same post, there are hundreds of examples of this. It isnt just about Travel, but that is part of the problem too as Huffington post has a great article about the cost of a "free" ID.

If they are not willing to make any effort to meet fair and equal eligibility requirements then they dont have the "right" to vote. Voting is not explicitly a constitutional right.

LMFAO ROTF yes it is an explicitly mentioned constitutional right.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by 2mares

Really, poor means working 14 hrs. a day?
I know plenty of families under the poverty guidelines that vote. If one is working, one most likely has a DL or a photo ID. Most places have public transit, government transportation, organizations the assist the elderly. How do these elderly get to doctor appts., the grocery store, church, and other places they go?

I live in a rural area where one must drive to get anywhere and there are no elderly people who are stuck in their homes with no means of engaging in the outside world.

You were arguing that poor people and elderly dont work, I simply argued that you were wrong.

And I live in a rural area, there is no local public transit here, we have a county system that will take you from city to city, but not around town.

As for the other stuff you named, that is simple, they plan it out weeks in advance, and when they miss those things, they replan it another week or 2 in advance. Which is why being able to vote in a timely manner matters as much as it does.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Following your logic you are admitting voter fraud when you say it will affect Democrats.

No, his logic is that voter ID laws keep people from voting who are citizens (and there for legally allowed to vote)

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by chucksnee

I agree




You mean the ID that keeps her getting money? That ID? The false narrative is you saying because she did not use it, does not mean she should not renew it...

1.How does she get money for having a military ID ???????????

2. There is no evidence either way that she ever had one, it seems you was just listing the things that could be used to validate her status as a citizen as listed on the state website.

So the only false narrative being spun here is on you.

So, tell us on a large scale, how many voters have not been able to vote because of no ID?

Before you answer, what's the theme of this thread.....and did it happen?

This really is a yes or no question, but I'm sure you'll provide more input than is really needed.

Theme of this thread is people not being able to vote because of this law.

The number is unknown.


as for your "yes or no" question, it isnt, because we dont know if it happened or not. The only way we would know is if we polled every single registered voter in Wisconsin.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

Oh don't get me wrong, I do. I doubt there's ever been enough fraud in any election to change the results, just like I'm certain that there's never been enough people who couldn't cast a ballot for lack of ID to make a difference in the result either.


It's a non-issue all the way around. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have reasonable measures in place to make sure that people are who they say they are when they cast a ballot.

The right to vote is not about changing the result, it is about being heard. The truth of the matter is that these voter ID laws actually do stop the voices of some.

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

Anyone working those hours and that many jobs, even at minimum wage, who still can't make ends meet, needs to re-evaluate their lifestyle.

maybe they already revaluated their lives and working that many jobs is there way out ?

[MaseMan]

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation"

I guess the word "abridged" doesn't carry as much weight as "infringed" for many on this forum. Go figure.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88

I don't need to prove his comments meant something else, you do. Rules Of Debate 101: the burden of proof rests on the individual making the positive claim. Maybe he did mean that the law will disenfranchise otherwise legitimate voters, but he could have just as easily meant that the law will prevent fraudulent votes. It's not at all clear.

Try again, the most basic rule of debate is "He who asserts must prove"

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

If you are going to respond to a thread of post, it would make sense for you to start at the beginning. The responses that you are reading come from an example of an elderly lady who has never even seen her birth certificate and hasnt driven in 20 years. Without a birth certificate, she cant get a voter ID> As I said in that same post, there are hundreds of examples of this. It isnt just about Travel, but that is part of the problem too as Huffington post has a great article about the cost of a "free" ID.




LMFAO ROTF yes it is an explicitly mentioned constitutional right.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote"

With the multi millions of Illegals, are NOT CITIZENS, in the country, we should do whatever is necessary to make SURE ONLY citizens get to vote!

I am NOT worried about anything in the past. What is done is done.

I AM worried about the FUTURE elections.

And then we have the obvious opposite position many on the left take when we talk about the 2nd AMENDMENT.

"The right of the people to KEEP and BEAR arms, shall NOT be infringed.

The left REEKS with HYPOCRISY.

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

The right to vote is not about changing the result, it is about being heard. The truth of the matter is that these voter ID laws actually do stop the voices of some.




maybe they already revaluated their lives and working that many jobs is there way out ?

"The right to vote is not about changing the result, it is about being heard."

The same argument could be made about getting a driver's license.

When cars first came to be you didn't need one.

As time wen by politicians founsa way to get more money so they imposed a law rewuiringa drivre licens to drive.

How many were DENIED the "right to drive" because they couldn't afford one?

And the "poor" today? How many cannot afford to renew or get a license?