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Old 04-18-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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You can wrap a towel around yourself, no need for assistance.
And it specifically talked about the showers in the link.
What was the solution for the open multiple occupancy showers? Remember that the school district had provided the trans student PRIVATE facilities, and both the trans student and the USDoE REJECTED that solution, instead INSISTING that the trans student with a penis have UNRESTRICTED access to the girls' multiple occupancy restroom/locker/shower room facilities.

Furthermore, if an anatomical male can "claim" to be transgender, I should be able to "claim" I have no income and therefore pay no income tax. Deal?

 
Old 04-18-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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Also, If anatomical males are allowed to use women's facilities just because they "claim" to be transgender, I should be able to "claim" I'm age 65+ and immediately get SS and Medicare benefits.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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On the flip side what happens when some one with a penis and a 38DD breast size exposes those breasts to a 13 yr old boy? The best and simplest solution is a third option rest room changing facility be offered for transegendered individuals. I know of several trans college athletes and that is what they are offered.
I agree, and in the IL school district case, that is EXACTLY what was provided. But both the trans student and the USDoE REJECTED that solution and INSISTED that the trans with a penis be given unrestricted access/use to/of the girls' multiple occupancy restroom/locker/shower room facilities.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 01:04 PM
 
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Go into any police station and ask them if it's OK if a 17-year-old with a penis exposes his genitalia to a 13-year-old girl against her and her parents' will.


Aren't you tired of typing this? It's a bit ridiculous to assume that ANYONE finds that appropriate. But that is not what anyone is saying!


That can happen today, in any women's restroom in the country.


It can happen in the men's room too. It can happen in a dressing room, a locker room, at the pool, at the school gym, in your own home.


You cannot assume that only 17 year old males commit indecent exposure to 13 year old girls. Or that all transgendered people will expose themselves in a restroom. You know, maybe they just have to pee?
 
Old 04-18-2016, 01:09 PM
 
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Aren't you tired of typing this?
No. As long as some people still insist on making it a reality, I'll still keep posting it.
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It's a bit ridiculous to assume that ANYONE finds that appropriate.
So WHY are some of you INSISTING on forcing it to happen?

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You cannot assume that only 17 year old males commit indecent exposure to 13 year old girls.
You can most definitely assume it will happen when the USDoE INSISTS that a trans student with a penis be given UNRESTRICTED access/use to/of a school's girls' multiple occupancy restroom/locker/shower room.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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No. As long as some people still insist on making it a reality, I'll still keep posting it. So WHY are some of you INSISTING on forcing it to happen?

You can most definitely assume it will happen when the USDoE INSISTS that a trans student with a penis be given UNRESTRICTED access/use to/of a school's girls' multiple occupancy restroom/locker/shower room.


So all 17 year old transgendered people want to publically expose themselves?
 
Old 04-18-2016, 01:23 PM
 
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So all 17 year old transgendered people want to publically expose themselves?
The trans with a penis in the Illinois school district case was given private facilities, but instead chose to expose his genitalia in the girls' multiple occupancy restroom/locker room.

Also, how is such exposure not inevitable in multiple occupancy changing/locker/shower rooms in which normal changing and showering behavior involves various stages of undress including nudity?
 
Old 04-18-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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What was the solution for the open multiple occupancy showers?
They only showered after swim class, and they said that the girls showered with their swimsuits on to rinse out the chlorine. But, again, you would have know this IF you had read the link.

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She stated that students do
not shower after PE class
, with the exception of the swimming unit, which is discussed below.
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The PE Teacher told OCR that most students shower in their suits after swimming in order to
rinse off the chlorine from the pool. She said she has not seen students shower fully naked
https://www2.ed.gov/documents/press-...211-letter.pdf
 
Old 04-18-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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The trans with a penis in the Illinois school district case was given private facilities, but instead chose to expose his genitalia in the girls' multiple occupancy restroom/locker room.
Except for the fact that there is no proof that she did so. Only a news story that says that some student 2 years ago supposedly said that the student did so according to a parent.
 
Old 04-18-2016, 01:48 PM
 
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They only showered after swim class
The trans student with a penis plays on girls sports teams. Are you seriously thinking anyone believes showering after practice/games doesn't happen?
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