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Corporations are not all the same. SCOTUS clearly draws the distinction in the Hobby Lobby case. The ruling is limited to closely held privately-owned corporations. Kroger (grocery store chain), for example, cannot refuse to make a custom-ordered wedding cake for a SSM.
I recognize, more significantly un-closely-held for-profit Corporations realize as well. One of the reasons for their support of &/or boycotts. Cui bono?
I recognize, more significantly un-closely-held for-profit Corporations realize as well. One of the reasons for their support of &/or boycotts. Cui bono?
A boycott is fine. Harassment based on someone exercising their religion which is a First Amendment Right, is not. Find yourself in the neighborhood of any such bakery? Don't shop there. Fine.
In Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises, Inc., Mr. Bessinger felt his religious beliefs were legitimate, it's apples to apples. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of defending the civil rights (class action on behalf) of Ms. Newman.
These laws (title of thread) are not in defense of individual civil rights.
Like it or not, eventually the civil rights of those impacted by these laws will be addressed by the Courts.
A boycott is fine. Harassment based on someone exercising their religion which is a First Amendment Right, is not. Find yourself in the neighborhood of any such bakery? Don't shop there. Fine.
The Hobby Lobby SCOTUS ruling applies here. Which is the most burdensome: Forcing Hobby Lobby's owners to violate their religious beliefs? Or the women insured by Hobby Lobby acquiring ACA-mandated abortifacients elsewhere? ...A bakery moving their business? Or gay clients custom-ordering a wedding cake for a SSM from another bakery?
SCOTUS gets it correct on this... It's a simple matter of who is burdened least when less-restrictive means to achieve the same results are available.
And where did they get their religious beliefs. Hopefully not from the bible since it was written by men.
And where did they get their religious beliefs. Hopefully not from the bible since it was written by men.
They get them from the same place where Mr. Bessinger got his. Legitimate religious beliefs are in the eyes of the beholder. From an earlier post in this thread:
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Originally Posted by ChiGeekGuest
All that matters is that a person, for example a business owner, is claiming it to be about religious beliefs.
In Newman v. Piggie Park Enterprises, Inc., Maurice Bessinger refused to let black folks enter the dining rooms of his restaurants. The Supreme Court decision eventually forced him to comply with the law.
That didn't stop Mr. Bessinger from setting up a religious mission next door to his main restaurant, where he began distributing tracts combining his love of the Confederacy with his religious beliefs. One tract was entitled ''Biblical View of Slavery,'' which had as its main argument that slavery is not inherently evil because it is permitted in the Bible. The author argued many African slaves ''blessed the Lord'' for allowing them to be enslaved, because their life in slavery was better than in Africa. Also suggesting, ''Don't let anyone try to load you with guilt & say you need to make reparations for what your forefathers did.''
In addition to the Bibles, Bible tracts & Confederate memorabilia on sale at the restaurant, Mr. Bessinger also sold his Barbecue Sauce.
He was distributing his Sauce in grocery stores as well & in the summer of 2000, Winn-Dixie, Bi-Lo, Kroger & Wal-Mart began a boycott of his products. This led Mr. Bessinger to claim his religious rights were being violated, though he acknowledged the stores had a right to choose which products to sell. He also felt the South Carolina Chamber of Commerce had organized a politically correct conspiracy against him. This was around the same time the controversy surrounding the Confederate flag hanging at the Capitol dome was being played out.
Mr. Bessinger claimed, ''I am not pro-slavery, but no man on earth can make me deny what the Bible says about slavery. The stores are just yielding to outside pressure from people who want to destroy the Constitution and remake America to fit their globalism strategy.''
He also claimed, “It is really a constitutional right — whether a man has the right to run his business without governmental interference.”
One of the stores, Bi-Lo Supermarkets, issued a statement regarding the boycott, Mr. Bessinger's business activities ''are unacceptable to us as a company and to many of our customers. We believe that removing his products from Bi-Lo stores will reinforce our belief in the dignity of each individual who shops with us.''
Mr. Bessinger wrote an autobiography in 2001, 'Defending My Heritage' writing, “This is not about race."
Mr. Bessinger, as a service provider, claimed his religious rights were being violated.
The stores who removed his products from their shelves, & the customers who boycotted his restaurant, objected to participating in his 'religious' activities.
After all, maybe a restaurant is just a restaurant.
Boycott? Fine. Harassment and threats based on one's religion? No. Like I said, find yourself in the neighborhood of a business that doesn't provide goods/services for same sex weddings? Don't shop there.
Pope Francis just released a document Friday rejecting the legitimacy of same sex marriage.
I highly doubt you have read Pope Francis' 256 page document. If you had given it even a cursory glance, you would not be misrepresenting his positions.
As for any religion's position on anything, it hardly matters. These particular issues will be addressed case by case. & like it or not, eventually the civil rights of those impacted by these laws will be addressed by the Courts.
Someone here will most likely start a thread on each & every one.
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