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Old 04-12-2016, 10:11 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No you didn't.

What about other protected classes? You can't use religious belief to deny services to people based on race, religion, age, or sex.
And you can't discriminate against people based on their religion. Now what?

You haven't cited anything in the Constitution that prioritizes any protected group's rights over that of any others.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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No you didn't.

What about other protected classes? You can't use religious belief to deny services to people based on race, religion, age, or sex.

Do you believe that businesses should be allowed to deny service to people based on race, religion, sex, or age?
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And you can't discriminate against people based on their religion. Now what?

You haven't cited anything in the Constitution that prioritizes any protected group's rights over that of any others.
Still dodging the question.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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And you can't discriminate against people based on their religion. Now what?

You haven't cited anything in the Constitution that prioritizes any protected group's rights over that of any others.
If the law says two men can be married, then you must recognize them as such. You cannot refuse to sell a wrench to a man simply because of who he is married too, just because your religion views him as committing a sin.

Selling a wrench to a gay married man does not force you to stop practicing your religion, anymore than selling a wrench to a divorced man who remarried.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Why would that poster bring up Hitler? In what context?

And yes, the fight for civil rights IS all in the same league. Sorry if you don't like it, it's 2016.
Homosexuality is not normal. Aberration of nature.

Blacks and whites were copulating prior to the civil right movement. You will never see a hetero guy think homosexuality is normal.

As for the women's rights movement that does not seem to have worked out to well for them as it has been transmogrified into anti-male sentiment.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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If the law says two men can be married, then you must recognize them as such. You cannot refuse to sell a wrench to a man simply because of who he is married too, just because your religion views him as committing a sin.

Selling a wrench to a gay married man does not force you to stop practicing your religion, anymore than selling a wrench to a divorced man who remarried.

That's not really a valid comparison. The issue is whether a person should be forced to contribute to or participate in an activity they have a religious objection to. It is deeper than "he's gay so I'm not gonna do it". That's an over simplification of the issue that glosses over the real issue.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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Still dodging the question.
I answered the question. I don't see anywhere in the Constitution where any protected group's rights are prioritized over that of any others.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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That's not really a valid comparison. The issue is whether a person should be forced to contribute to or participate in an activity they have a religious objection to. It is deeper than "he's gay so I'm not gonna do it". That's an over simplification of the issue that glosses over the real issue.
Exactly. But it's the typical misleading rhetoric that comes from those who want to suppress a protected group's Constitutional rights to bully them into submission and giving up their rights.

Would rep you again if I could.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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That's not really a valid comparison. The issue is whether a person should be forced to contribute to or participate in an activity they have a religious objection to. It is deeper than "he's gay so I'm not gonna do it". That's an over simplification of the issue that glosses over the real issue.
What activity are you talking about?

Unless you are actually performing the marriage ceremony, or asked to participate in the ceremony, then you are not a participant to the marriage. I could see declining to being the person to conduct the wedding, but not the person supplying the cake for the wedding reception.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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What activity are you talking about?

Unless you are actually performing the marriage ceremony, or asked to participate in the ceremony, then you are not a participant to the marriage.
SO not true. Have you ever catered/photographed/delivered and set up a cake or flowers for a wedding? Those who do so are a very integral participant.
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Old 04-12-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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I answered the question. I don't see anywhere in the Constitution where any protected group's rights are prioritized over that of any others.
No you didn't.

Care to try again?

Do you believe that businesses should be allowed to deny service to people based on race, religion, sex, or age?
It's a pretty easy question to answer. Yes or no.
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