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Of course they wouldn't be ok with it. They talk a big game because they can't even fathom being denied service for something. Why? Because it's never come up before, ever in their lives. White? Hetero? Christian? They've got it made in this country, they've slid through life, piece of cake. "That business would discriminate against ME? Whatever FOR?" The thought has literally NEVER crossed their minds because it hasn't had to. In reality, if some straight white couple was denied service, the s*it would hit the fan. First, the bewilderment, then the reality sets in. And that's when it all goes to crap. So yeah, when those people claim "I'd just take my business elsewhere, no big deal", that's a load of BS & we all know it.
But in reality, how many businesses are going to discriminate? And if you're gay, muslim, Jewish, black or whatever and someone doesn't want to do business with you, there are plenty of businesses lined up behind them that will take your money.
Besides, do you really want a service from someone who was 'forced' to provide it? Do you really think you're going to get the best cake/dress, whatever? Why not just speak with your wallet instead of raising such a fuss over a few businesses?
Ya, try entering a bakery with a legally owned weapon on your hip if you want to see intolerance.
Open carry is perfectly legal in my state and I have seen people carrying in all kinds of stores. Not once have I seen someone denied service for carrying.
If you say so. Funny how you try to "get me" on polygamy & then when it's revealed that I have no problem with it, you need to twist it into something else. You have fun with that!
I didn't try to get "you" specifically - note I said "gay supporters," plural, not singular. I merely asked a fundamental question.
But in reality, how many businesses are going to discriminate? And if you're gay, muslim, Jewish, black or whatever and someone doesn't want to do business with you, there are plenty of businesses lined up behind them that will take your money.
Besides, do you really want a service from someone who was 'forced' to provide it? Do you really think you're going to get the best cake/dress, whatever? Why not just speak with your wallet instead of raising such a fuss over a few businesses?
Like I said, some people can't even fathom it which is why they respond the way they do.
Open carry is perfectly legal in my state and I have seen people carrying in all kinds of stores. Not once have I seen someone denied service for carrying.
Open carry is legal in my state too and plenty businesses openly discriminate!
Nobody should be allowed to disagree with the liberals!!! I am not sure how much more clear I can make it.
For those dissidents, if we can't punish them by laws, we shall pass a new law to punish them or just drawn them with our overwhelming liberal public lynching including but not limited to, death threats, public violent protests, arson, boycott, horrific reviews on every public venue, public shaming, nude protests, shouting, Occupy Movement, public condemnation from all the Hollywood actresses!
Have fun responding to what you want my post to say vs what it actually said.
But in reality, how many businesses are going to discriminate? And if you're gay, muslim, Jewish, black or whatever and someone doesn't want to do business with you, there are plenty of businesses lined up behind them that will take your money.
Besides, do you really want a service from someone who was 'forced' to provide it? Do you really think you're going to get the best cake/dress, whatever? Why not just speak with your wallet instead of raising such a fuss over a few businesses?
Great, then allow across the board refusal of any services BUT require the business to post notice on it's door who they will not serve. That way I don't patronize an establishment that will refuse service for something they sell.
I would be perfectly fine with this. But for some reason every time the notification part was added to laws that allowed discrimination people went nuts. If you have such strong beliefs that you would refuse service to someone own it, and proudly post it.
I'm fairly neutral on my position when it comes to gay/straight issues. However, why is it that those who scream 'tolerance' aren't willing to be tolerant of others' view if they are different?
If someone doesn't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding for whatever reason, is that being intolerant? Yes. But, for those people that are going to give said bakery a hard time for their decision, isn't that also being intolerant?
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we're talking about human rights here. not some random inanimate object.
no one is saying you have to open up your home to gays. all they want is to be treated like human beings. is that too much to ask for?
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what if those same loud people refused service to heterosexuals and were able to pass laws to back them?
closed minded people always think they're allowed to hate with impunity and hide behind religion or free speech while doing so.
all they want is to be treated like ANYBODY ELSE. got that?
tolerance is supposed to be a two way street. i tolerate gay marriage, even though i am opposed to it, and wont support it. does that mean i hate gays? no it doesnt, but in the intolerant minds of those that oppose my views it means i hate anyone who is not me.
treating a person like a human being is great, i am all for it. but remember that they also have to treat me like a human being. come to me, as a baker, and ask me to create a wedding cake for a gay wedding, something i oppose and will not support, and i will turn you down for that particular transaction. if you want birthday cakes, cupcakes, etc. i am all for selling you these items, just not a gay wedding cake. if you want to prove that you are also a tolerant human being that recognizes other peoples human rights, then you will move on to another baker that will provide gay wedding cakes, instead of suing me, and threatening me with bodily harm etc.
asi said, tolerance is a two way street, you tolerate my views, i tolerate yours. we dont have to agree, we just have to recognize that a persons views are theirs, and we need to accept that. we cannot force our views onto others.
I remember when the baker in Colorado refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple's wedding. The baker said that the act of providing the wedding cake makes him a part of the celebration and since he was opposed to gay marriage due to his religion, he felt it was wrong for him to participate in the wedding as the baker of the wedding cake.
I believe that the baker has the right to refuse based on his religious beliefs. The couple can find a plethora of other bakers to bake the cake for their special day, one that will be made with love. Instead it became a huge ordeal with protestors outside of the bakery, a lawsuit, etc.
If the couple expects the baker to practice tolerance towards gay marriage by providing wedding cakes then the couple should practice tolerance towards this man's religious beliefs and find a baker who would be happy to make the cake. That's what tolerance is. It's supposed to be a two way street.
tolerance is supposed to be a two way street. i tolerate gay marriage, even though i am opposed to it, and wont support it. does that mean i hate gays? no it doesnt, but in the intolerant minds of those that oppose my views it means i hate anyone who is not me.
treating a person like a human being is great, i am all for it. but remember that they also have to treat me like a human being. come to me, as a baker, and ask me to create a wedding cake for a gay wedding, something i oppose and will not support, and i will turn you down for that particular transaction. if you want birthday cakes, cupcakes, etc. i am all for selling you these items, just not a gay wedding cake. if you want to prove that you are also a tolerant human being that recognizes other peoples human rights, then you will move on to another baker that will provide gay wedding cakes, instead of suing me, and threatening me with bodily harm etc.
asi said, tolerance is a two way street, you tolerate my views, i tolerate yours. we dont have to agree, we just have to recognize that a persons views are theirs, and we need to accept that. we cannot force our views onto others.
tolerance is supposed to be a two way street. i tolerate interracial marriage, even though i am opposed to it, and wont support it. does that mean i hate interracial couples? no it doesnt, but in the intolerant minds of those that oppose my views it means i hate anyone who is not me.
treating a person like a human being is great, i am all for it. but remember that they also have to treat me like a human being. come to me, as a baker, and ask me to create a wedding cake for a interracial wedding, something i oppose and will not support, and i will turn you down for that particular transaction. if you want birthday cakes, cupcakes, etc. i am all for selling you these items, just not a interracial wedding cake. if you want to prove that you are also a tolerant human being that recognizes other peoples human rights, then you will move on to another baker that will provide interracial wedding cakes, instead of suing me, and threatening me with bodily harm etc.
asi said, tolerance is a two way street, you tolerate my views, i tolerate yours. we dont have to agree, we just have to recognize that a persons views are theirs, and we need to accept that. we cannot force our views onto others.
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