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Old 04-13-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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Yes it is.
In both cases, it's asking people to provide a service that they are uncomfortable providing because of religious or other reasons.

If one party deserves tolerance, they BOTH do.
If one party deserves contempt, they BOTH do.
Mr Bessinger has some information for you.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:30 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Department Chairs typically deal with faculty and have little or zero in-person, ongoing interactions with students. This is all rather strange, this story of yours...,
He continued teaching, even as the department chair. The previous chair also taught. This is a regional state school without a lot of prestige.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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There is a rather simple mental exercise one can conduct to show how truly one sided this is among liberals:

Imagine that someone asked a Muslim chef to prepare and cook a pork based meal for a wedding reception and they refused based on their religious beliefs.

I think it's safe to say that most liberals and progressives would immediately take the side of the Muslim chef and demand that the wedding party find another chef or choose another main course for the meal.

But... if it's a Christian baker refusing to bake a gay wedding cake? They are considered bigots, hateful, intolerant and any other pejorative you'd care to throw at them.

That's, of course, setting aside the fact that in many Muslim countries, homosexuality is considered a crime punishable by death. Never mind the wedding cake, you get thrown of a roof or set on fire.

But yeah.. next time a liberal mentions how wrong it is to refuse to bake a gay wedding cake, ask them if it would be OK to ask a Muslim chef to prepare pork when their religion demands that they don't and they do not want to prepare it.

Do THEY get the same treatment?
Your 'simple mental exercise' shows you don't understand the rather simple concept of 'protected class' in anti-discrimination law.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:53 PM
 
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Then the baker should take wedding cakes off of his list of services, just like the Muslim takes pork off of their menu, and the Jewish baker takes swastika cakes out of his portfolio.

If you offer it to one, you must offer it to any.
A Muslim chef would likely NEVER put pork on his menu, but he may be called upon to prepare it as part of his vocation and he would be uncomfortable or unwilling to do so.

A Jewish baker would likely NEVER put swastika cakes his menu, but he may be called upon to prepare some as part of his vocation and he would be uncomfortable or unwilling to do so.

A Christian baker would likely NEVER advertise cakes for gay weddings, but he may be called upon to prepare some as part of his vocation and he would be uncomfortable or unwilling to do so.

Tolerance for one of these individuals should mean tolerance for ALL.
Contempt for one of these individuals should mean contempt for ALL.

Tolerance IS a two way street, or it should be. This speaks exactly to what was raised in the OP
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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If I am supposed to tolerate bakers denial of service. How are they tolerating me?
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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Your 'simple mental exercise' shows you don't understand the rather simple concept of 'protected class' in anti-discrimination law.
And YOU don't understand what discrimination means. No bakers are kicking gay people out of bakeries or refusing their money or patronage. They are refusing to P A R T I C I P A T E in gay weddings.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:56 PM
 
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Should a black owned catering company be forced to cater a KKK event?

Personally, I believe any non-essential business should be allowed to refuse service to any person for any reason.

I have no issue with the Miss Black America competition.
Look up 'protected class'.


Pork, bacon, belonging to the KKK etc, is not a protected class. Why do some people have such difficulty understanding such a simple concept?
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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I have noticed a double standard when it comes to tolerance/intolerance. The people who tend to scream the loudest about it seem to be unaware of the fact that they are not practicing what they preach as they are completely intolerant of anyone holding views that differ from their own. It's very hypocritical.

Exactly!

The empty barrel makes the most noise.
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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A Muslim chef would likely NEVER put pork on his menu, but he may be called upon to prepare it as part of his vocation and he would be uncomfortable or unwilling to do so.

A Jewish baker would likely NEVER put swastika cakes his menu, but he may be called upon to prepare some as part of his vocation and he would be uncomfortable or unwilling to do so.

A Christian baker would likely NEVER advertise cakes for gay weddings, but he may be called upon to prepare some as part of his vocation and he would be uncomfortable or unwilling to do so.

Tolerance for one of these individuals should mean tolerance for ALL.
Contempt for one of these individuals should mean contempt for ALL.

Tolerance IS a two way street, or it should be. This speaks exactly to what was raised in the OP
There is not difference between a cake ordered for a straight wedding and one for a gay wedding. It is not a different recipe that is not on the menu, or a different design that they do not offer.





Which cake is for a gay wedding and which is for the straight wedding?
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Old 04-13-2016, 02:59 PM
 
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And YOU don't understand what discrimination means. No bakers are kicking gay people out of bakeries or refusing their money or patronage. They are refusing to P A R T I C I P A T E in gay weddings.
And Mr Bessinger did not refuse the money or patronage of blacks, he just refused to PARTICIPATE in mixed race dining.

SAME argument.
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