Socialist Protest In France

[Three Wolves In Snow]

Originally Posted by Motion

Social Democrats aren't socialist. From what I've read they are capitalist who believe in generous welfare programs funded by capitalism. This is different from actual socialism.

Yes, they are. Social Democrats are those who have a political philosophy of using reform in order to reach socialism.

Here's the organization, founded in 1951, that is leading the way:

Socialist International - Progressive Politics For A Fairer World

Perhaps some of you need to read their principles...they are all for socialism:

Socialist International - Progressive Politics For A Fairer World

[Ariete]

Originally Posted by Camlon

Here are real tax rates for people with average wages without deducations. This is just income taxes, GST, fees and property taxes is on top of these taxes.

Tax rate for average income
Belgium: 55%
Austria: 50%
Germany: 49%
Hungary: 49%
Italy: 49%
France: 48%
Finland: 44%
Sweden: 43%
Portugal: 42%
Spain: 40%
Greece: 39%
Estonia: 39%
Turkey: 38%
Norway: 37%
Denmark: 36%
Netherlands: 36%
Poland: 35%
Iceland: 34%
Japan 32%
USA: 32%
Canada: 32%
UK: 31%
Australia: 28%
Ireland: 27%
Switzerland: 22%
South Korea: 22%
Israel: 22%
Mexico: 20%
New Zealand: 18%
Chile: 7%
Jämför skatter mellan länder - Ekonomifakta

That is pure BS. I think that's the total tax burden of the whole public sector. It's not how much an average person pays in income taxes.

A person in Finland who earns the national median wage pays 28.85% in total income tax in Finland.

[Kracer]

Originally Posted by Motion

How do people breakdown the differences between a socialist and a social democrat?

the difference is only for academic argument and has no bearing on reality.


the strict adherence to the legal definition of an ideology is always blurred and subject to different recipes depending on who is in charge. That's why capitalism has some socialist elements. nothing is pure and if someone claims purity they are liars.