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Old 04-21-2016, 05:07 AM
 
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You asked this question four times in this thread already, and every single time the poster you asked it of deflected. Which is an answer in and of itself. As you said, it has zero to do with caring about women's health and everything to do with attempting to shut down women's health clinics for political reasons.
Why not address me as opposed to the more cowardly approach here? I answered the question. I am not a Republican and I have no obligation to defend or speak for them. It's sad that it doesn't come down to the women's health, it comes down to politics with you.

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It's ridiculous that those on the other side try to pretend otherwise, when other clinics who perform outpatient procedures don't have politicians roaming the hallways with measuring tapes, assessing their widths. They only care about clinics where abortions are performed. But no, it's not political at all.
There has no proof that other surgical clinics do not have to meet certain standards. If there is, they should be also. It's simply common sense that emergency responders should be able to have proper access in a place like this. Politics and common sense rarely go hand in hand.
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Old 04-21-2016, 05:18 AM
 
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you got a link or any proof of that statement or did you just make that up?
The board's complaint says one patient died in 1991 after Dr. Tucker refused to call an ambulance when she began bleeding "violently." According to the complaint, "he stated that he did not want to refer her to the hospital as he had already referred a patient that day to the hospital for complications."

Doctor Loses His License In Abortions - NYTimes.com

Now, I will not argue that something should be banned because of a few bad apples. That's the argument left for those who want to outlaw guns.

BUT this guy obviously should NOT have been in business no matter what you think about the legality. Remember, safe, legal and rare. Little this guy did was safe for the women that went to see him. Abortion advocates defended him though because replacing him with someone competent wouldn't be easy.
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Old 04-21-2016, 05:34 AM
 
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The board's complaint says one patient died in 1991 after Dr. Tucker refused to call an ambulance when she began bleeding "violently." According to the complaint, "he stated that he did not want to refer her to the hospital as he had already referred a patient that day to the hospital for complications."

Doctor Loses His License In Abortions - NYTimes.com

Now, I will not argue that something should be banned because of a few bad apples. That's the argument left for those who want to outlaw guns.

BUT this guy obviously should NOT have been in business no matter what you think about the legality. Remember, safe, legal and rare. Little this guy did was safe for the women that went to see him. Abortion advocates defended him though because replacing him with someone competent wouldn't be easy.
the article is from 1994 want to find something current that backs up Janelle's claims?
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Old 04-21-2016, 06:14 AM
 
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the article is from 1994 want to find something current that backs up Janelle's claims?
Things have changed since then? From the reading of this thread, I'd say not. As long as the need is met, it doesn't seem to matter how.

Besides, this thread topic is a more current example.
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Old 04-21-2016, 11:47 AM
 
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Things have changed since then? From the reading of this thread, I'd say not. As long as the need is met, it doesn't seem to matter how.

Besides, this thread topic is a more current example.

things have changed? you find one incident since 1990's and use that as an example of how terrible clinics are that they need more stringent regulations than any other medical clinic. you don't want to tear down the repug's because you aren't one, are you trying to say abortion clinics are not the only ones targeted with these regulations and chiropractor's, dentists, foot clinics and the rest of medical clinics are as well. or could it be that abortions clinics are the main target because they provide abortions. btw people do die at the dentist office and other places, I doubt seriously an ambulance is called every single time. this is all about trying to stop abortions.
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Old 04-21-2016, 12:13 PM
 
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You've complained about stronger oversight of these clinics.......some that were designed because of the lack of oversight here. Like the inability for emergency responders to be able to get their equipment into the clinic.

Symposium: Ensuring abortion safety in a declining market for abortion services : SCOTUSblog
Exactly. And I've made this point before. WHY does the left-wing and pro-abortion activists believe women are 2nd class citizens? Why shouldn't their ASCs (Ambulatory Surgery Center - abortion IS an invasive procedure and DOES carry such KNOWN risks as perforation of the uterus, bowel, bladder, etc.) have to meet the same health and safety standards as any other ASC?

Sadly, this is just another one of the many liberal/Dem 'Wars on Women.'
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Old 04-21-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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Exactly. And I've made this point before. WHY does the left-wing and pro-abortion activists believe women are 2nd class citizens? Why shouldn't their ASCs (Ambulatory Surgery Center - abortion IS an invasive procedure and DOES carry such KNOWN risks as perforation of the uterus, bowel, bladder, etc.) have to meet the same health and safety standards as any other ASC?

Sadly, this is just another one of the many liberal/Dem 'Wars on Women.'
you feel the same way about the dental office that pulls wisdom teeth under anesthesia? how about the colonoscopy center or the cosmetic surgeons office doing nose jobs and face lifts in his back room?
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Old 04-21-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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things have changed? you find one incident since 1990's and use that as an example of how terrible clinics are that they need more stringent regulations than any other medical clinic. you don't want to tear down the repug's because you aren't one, are you trying to say abortion clinics are not the only ones targeted with these regulations and chiropractor's, dentists, foot clinics and the rest of medical clinics are as well. or could it be that abortions clinics are the main target because they provide abortions. btw people do die at the dentist office and other places, I doubt seriously an ambulance is called every single time. this is all about trying to stop abortions.
A request was made for an example. I simply posted the first one I found. Does it matter at all if I find more?

I didn't say I didn't want to tear down the Republicans. They are simply irrelevant to the discussion. These are sane, rational requirements. What the (R)'s motives are don't concern me.

P.S. It can be noted in many posts that I'm voting for Sanders, I have no reason to take this position just to defend the (R)'s. We aren't going to ban abortions regardless of what I think of them. These are legitimate requirements of a place that provides these types of procedures.
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Old 04-21-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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you feel the same way about the dental office that pulls wisdom teeth under anesthesia? how about the colonoscopy center or the cosmetic surgeons office doing nose jobs and face lifts in his back room?
Is this even a concern or do they already have to meet these standards?
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Old 04-22-2016, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Difference is when a dental office has to send for an ambulance they don't tell the driver not to use the siren and to use the alley driveway so no one will be the wiser when they take the woman who is dying out to the hospital.

What difference does it make which entrance is used?


Maybe the ambulance driver used the alleyway because it provided easier access to an entrance, versus the front door that could have been on a busy street with cars parked all along the way.


Can you prove otherwise?
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