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Old 05-14-2016, 02:48 PM
 
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Tobacco does not have a Constitutional amendment, protecting it from government intervention.

Free Speech does, yet one can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, or distribute kiddie porn. No amendment is open ended.

 
Old 05-14-2016, 02:49 PM
 
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Nobody died at Sandy Hook.
Yup.

The Sandy Hook families are paid actors, who were given free homes, won the lottery multiple times (money laundering), and are now being paraded around to push gun control.
 
Old 05-14-2016, 02:52 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Free Speech does, yet one can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, or distribute kiddie porn. No amendment is open ended.
Especially, the only one that says it shall not be infringed.
If you ask me I can yell fire in a theater. Who is going to stop me? Government?

Did the firearm operate as intended?
Did the firearm operate not as intended?
Was the firearm well regulated in its accuracy?
Did the firearm perform in a manner it was not designed to do?

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Old 05-14-2016, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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The discovery process is what will ultimately yield the decision in either direction. Just like tobacco. The marketing targets are the key.

The biggest distinction between the firearm industry and the Tobacco industry, is the Tobacco industry intentionally made a product that was both harmful & made it addictive, and then advertised as cool. The firearm industry knows it is making weapons, any everyone knows that whatever accessories are put on a firearm, weather they think it makes the firearm "LOOK ANY COOLER" or not; does not make that weapon more deadly. Even a scope does not make a rifle any deadlier, it simply allows a person to see a target at a longer distance.


This suit would not have been allowed to go forward if Adam Lanza has used a standard Remington 870 pump shotgun with a 26' barrel, nothing cool about that, looks like just any other shotgun. The fact that this law suit is being allowed is because the press has turned the AR-15 rifle, in to the hand of the devil. And now many people believe it is an instrument of evil. It is just an object. there still had to be a person pulling the trigger.
 
Old 05-14-2016, 03:01 PM
 
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If you ask me I can yell fire in a theater. Who is going to stop me? Government?

yes, you would be arrested.
 
Old 05-14-2016, 03:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The biggest distinction between the firearm industry and the Tobacco industry, is the Tobacco industry intentionally made a product that was both harmful & made it addictive, and then advertised as cool. The firearm industry knows it is making weapons, any everyone knows that whatever accessories are put on a firearm, weather they think it makes the firearm "LOOK ANY COOLER" or not; does not make that weapon more deadly. Even a scope does not make a rifle any deadlier, it simply allows a person to see a target at a longer distance.


This suit would not have been allowed to go forward if Adam Lanza has used a standard Remington 870 pump shotgun with a 26' barrel, nothing cool about that, looks like just any other shotgun. The fact that this law suit is being allowed is because the press has turned the AR-15 rifle, in to the hand of the devil. And now many people believe it is an instrument of evil. It is just an object. there still had to be a person pulling the trigger.

No one in the UT tower shootings in Austin TX. 1966, sued Springfield Arms.

Maybe they should be suing the ammunition manufacture and not the gun manufacturer. Well, without ammo the gun is useless. It was the bullet that killed, not the gun.
 
Old 05-14-2016, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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yes, you would be arrested.
No actually you would only be arrested under certain circumstances, where it was demonstrated you had a wilful intent to incite imminent lawless action.

If there was a fire you would not be arrested.

If there was reason to believe there was a fire (smoke, etc.) then you would not be arrested.

If there was reason to believe that a large number of injuries could be caused without immediate evacuation of the theater, then you would not be arrested.

If there was no fire, and everyone filed out without panic or chaos and there was no injury you would not be arrested (although you may be liable for civil damages, from the people who left, or the owner of the venue).

It's a facile cliche that is used to try to demonstrate there is a limitation on a right, thus there should be limitations on all rights. Indeed in 99% of cases the use is even incorrect, Shenck specifically stated "Falsely shouting fire" not shouting fire. Christopher Hitchens even opened a debate by yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater, he was not arrested.
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Old 05-14-2016, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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This is a quote from the Article, at which is the core of the law suit.


"Superior Court Judge Barbara Bellis ruled that the law "does not prevent lawyers for the families of Sandy Hook victims from arguing that the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle is a military weapon and should not have been sold to civilians," The Associated Press reports."


A judge does not believe that the AR-15 belongs in civilian hands, and is allowing the suit to go forward based on her beliefs. Despite the fact that the AR-15 is a legally allowed to be owned by civilians, with the proper identification.
Well that's silly. No branch of the military uses a semi-automatic AR-15. It's strictly a civilian model.

The crazies will just pick up a mini 14 or a whole host of other platforms instead.
 
Old 05-14-2016, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Especially, the only one that says it shall not be infringed.
If you ask me I can yell fire in a theater. Who is going to stop me? Government?

Did the firearm operate as intended?
Did the firearm operate not as intended?
Was the firearm well regulated in its accuracy?
Did the firearm perform in a manner it was not designed to do?
Yet you are perfectly willing to remove the right for the families to sue in court.
 
Old 05-14-2016, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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Yet you are perfectly willing to remove the right for the families to sue in court.
If there is a mechanical or defect in the firearm, then absolutely file a suit against the manufacture; in this case it worked as designed. The problem lies in some people don't think that design, which is perfectly legal should be in the hands of civilians, that is the problem; and that is the root cause of this law suit.
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