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Exactly, both parties have double standards. That's why I'm an independent, I try to vote for the lesser evil at the time. This changes as well. In 2008/2012, it was the Republican Party and now in 2016, I think the Democratic Party is out of control.
Agreed, I'm the same way. Bernie's tax plan and socialist leanings are outrageous, Hillary is about as corrupt as they get.
I would not necessarily equate these type of boycotts to Liberalism. There are fears that these so called RF Laws could extend beyond bathrooms and wedding cakes. The few boycotts mentioned by the OP are only the tip of the iceberg. Any businesses or other entities that have non-discrimination policies within their organizations are not happy with these type laws. Entertainers, Corporate America and college/ professional Sports are going to take positions to sway public opinion. They may not be able to do so in other countries but certainly can here.
It's difficult to sort out their hypocrisy. Please help.
I don't know if I call myself "liberal", but I'm far left of you, so I'll give it a shot, as a "liberal".
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- Tim Cook: It's OK for Apple to do business with countries that execute men for being homosexual, but it's not OK for a baker to refuse to bake a cake for a homosexual couple in the USA.
Yes, because we have higher standards for what goes on in America, even in other jurisdictions.
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- Bruce Springsteen: It's OK for me to refuse to do business with people I don't agree with, but it's not OK for a baker to refuse to do business with people he doesn't agree with.
I agree with conservatives on this one, business should not be mandated to serve anyone, regardless of the reasons. However I don't think it is crazy to draw a dividing line between these two different situations.
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- Paypal: It's OK for us to do business with countries who execute transgender people but it's not OK for NC to tell transgender people which restroom they must use.
Yes, because we have higher standards for what goes on in America, even in other jurisdictions.
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- Barbara Boxer: When the Pope speaks about Global Warming Catholics should listen to him. But when the Pope speaks about abortion, he is wrong and Catholics should not listen to him.
Right, people should use their common sense and judgement when listening to the pope.
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But Springsteen's ignorance is quite amusing. He doesn't even know the difference between and American Indian and somebody from the country of India.
"I mean, it's 2016, who still says they're Indian? This isn't 19th century America, we recognize these people are actually Native Americans," said Springsteen, adding "if Governor Haley wants to disrespect herself that's her business, but I will not play another concert in South Carolina as long as she's governor if she doesn't start using the proper term 'Native American.'"
While she is a natural born American citizen Governor Haley's parents are immigrants from India, a fact that did little to change Springsteen's view on the matter.
Said an indignant Springsteen, "you mean there's a whole country of people who still think like this? Well, that's just one more place that will never be blessed enough to host a concert by me! Equality for all is too important an issue, and anyone who doesn't stand for equality doesn't stand with me, The Boss."
Maybe this sums it up for us;
This is satire. Someobdy pulled the wool over your eyes.
Yes, because we have higher standards for what goes on in America, even in other jurisdictions.
Evidently those standards don't include not being a hypocrite.
For Cook to ignore problems all over the world where people execute gays while focusing on a baker who hurt nobody is hypocritical regardless of your standards.
THe problem with these religious liberty laws is that they are purely passed for discriminatory reasons.
So you say you dont want to do business with homosexuals because you believe homosexuality is a sin. Well...gluttony is a sin too...why is nobody calling for laws to refuse fat people. Leviticus calls eating shellfish an abomination...so why are there no religious liberty laws against eating shellfish. Adultery is a sin...why have no Christians called for laws to refuse to service to people who've cheated?
The fact is...these laws are passed selectively and only to discriminate against gays
Evidently those standards don't include not being a hypocrite.
For Cook to ignore problems all over the world where people execute gays while focusing on a baker who hurt nobody is hypocritical regardless of your standards.
It's difficult to sort out their hypocrisy. Please help.
Why do you even care? It seems like people spend too much time looking for ways to be divisive, looking for faults in others and reasons why some other class of people are of a lesser ilk. What's the point?
It's difficult to sort out their hypocrisy. Please help.
- Tim Cook: It's OK for Apple to do business with countries that execute men for being homosexual, but it's not OK for a baker to refuse to bake a cake for a homosexual couple in the USA.
- Bruce Springsteen: It's OK for me to refuse to do business with people I don't agree with, but it's not OK for a baker to refuse to do business with people he doesn't agree with.
- Paypal: It's OK for us to do business with countries who execute transgender people but it's not OK for NC to tell transgender people which restroom they must use.
- Barbara Boxer: When the Pope speaks about Global Warming Catholics should listen to him. But when the Pope speaks about abortion, he is wrong and Catholics should not listen to him.
But Springsteen's ignorance is quite amusing. He doesn't even know the difference between and American Indian and somebody from the country of India.
"I mean, it's 2016, who still says they're Indian? This isn't 19th century America, we recognize these people are actually Native Americans," said Springsteen, adding "if Governor Haley wants to disrespect herself that's her business, but I will not play another concert in South Carolina as long as she's governor if she doesn't start using the proper term 'Native American.'"
While she is a natural born American citizen Governor Haley's parents are immigrants from India, a fact that did little to change Springsteen's view on the matter.
Said an indignant Springsteen, "you mean there's a whole country of people who still think like this? Well, that's just one more place that will never be blessed enough to host a concert by me! Equality for all is too important an issue, and anyone who doesn't stand for equality doesn't stand with me, The Boss."
Maybe this sums it up for us;
Tim Cook does business in a country that, yes, executes homosexuals under Sharia Law. He does not ally himself with the country though. Would you like to know who does? The US government. But don't worry, it's because they have oil which means money, so it's ethical...
Comparing Apple doing business in a country that lives under an outdated set of beliefs to individuals in this country, which in theory could lead the world is scientific advancement and discovery, living under the same outdated set of beliefs is bizarre to me. Aside from the methods, what is the difference between the logic employed by the Saudi's and "Christian bakers" regarding their views on homosexuality. Neither provide reason to back up their claims. And I don't know about you, but I hold this country to a higher standard because I know we're capable of meeting it.
And that's the whole point. Many liberals will hold to the view that every culture is valid, which I disagree with as a member of the "left," which frankly isn't as unified as your oversimplification would suggest. I value and respect other cultures and traditions, but ethics and morals must be taken into consideration. The Saudi government will execute people for being gay. Why? Because a book told them not to, a book that any reasonable person would be able to conclude should not be taken as 100% literally true, regardless of any valuable wisdom or insight it may hold. Same deal with Christian bakers. The Bible is true becasue it says it's true. If that logic were applied to anything else, a person holding that view would rightfully be called ignorant. And that's not to say that the bible is of no value; that's of course not true. There is plenty of wisdom and truth held in the Bible but any person who cannot apply reason alongside faith is living in the stone age. Thomas Aquinas, a Catholic saint, understood this centuries ago. Why are people still struggling with that now?
The thing is, I can expect it from Saudi Arabia, one of the few absolute monarchies left in the world (if not the last one) that is also a rigid theocracy. Ridiculous points of view are to be expected from an already backwards system. But not in a secular republic like the United States. Have your beliefs, feel free to disagree on things like politics, but are we really going to say we refuse to serve people because we don't agree with them on something? Are we 8 years old? That's a slap in the face to American values!
There's a debate going on in the Great Debates section about how capitalism is objectively superior because the pursuit of money is of more value than discrimination, and yet, people won't even offer their services to a gay person because a book told them that their sex is wrong and somehow their business. What happened to our traditional liberal (classical sense) values? Views of toleration and minding our own business? Things the right claims to support, yet has no problem having government dictate what marriage is, or throwing people in prison for smoking a substance with plenty of evidence to suggest it has positive health benefits (as well as some negatives, but even then, the standards for a drug's legal status have never been based purely on how universally safe something is; morphine is still legal and it's insanely addictive).
It's about holding my own country to a certain set of standards.
It's difficult to sort out their hypocrisy. Please help.
- Tim Cook: It's OK for Apple to do business with countries that execute men for being homosexual, but it's not OK for a baker to refuse to bake a cake for a homosexual couple in the USA.
- Bruce Springsteen: It's OK for me to refuse to do business with people I don't agree with, but it's not OK for a baker to refuse to do business with people he doesn't agree with.
- Paypal: It's OK for us to do business with countries who execute transgender people but it's not OK for NC to tell transgender people which restroom they must use.
- Barbara Boxer: When the Pope speaks about Global Warming Catholics should listen to him. But when the Pope speaks about abortion, he is wrong and Catholics should not listen to him.
But Springsteen's ignorance is quite amusing. He doesn't even know the difference between and American Indian and somebody from the country of India.
"I mean, it's 2016, who still says they're Indian? This isn't 19th century America, we recognize these people are actually Native Americans," said Springsteen, adding "if Governor Haley wants to disrespect herself that's her business, but I will not play another concert in South Carolina as long as she's governor if she doesn't start using the proper term 'Native American.'"
While she is a natural born American citizen Governor Haley's parents are immigrants from India, a fact that did little to change Springsteen's view on the matter.
Said an indignant Springsteen, "you mean there's a whole country of people who still think like this? Well, that's just one more place that will never be blessed enough to host a concert by me! Equality for all is too important an issue, and anyone who doesn't stand for equality doesn't stand with me, The Boss."
Maybe this sums it up for us;
You just described a SJW.
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Someobdy pulled the wool over your eyes.
