What SHOWER should Transgenders at any stage use? (death, prison, quotes)
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No, I am not. The university requested an amended BC. The FTM trans student couldn't supply one because she was still anatomically female and therefore an MD couldn't sign a statement that she had completed sex-reassignment surgery.
My son has gym and they don't even take showers afterwards anymore. Hell, when I was in high school in the 1990s we didn't take showers at school either.
I am a member of a couple of health clubs and all of our locker rooms have stalls with shower curtains so you don't see naked people taking showers.
Honestly, it seems like a lot of people on this forum are obsessed with transgender issues that are not an issue at all. You are making up stuff to get upset/outraged about.
If it is no big deal, then why is there still separate men's and women's bathrooms and locker rooms?
The reason is - because it is a big deal.
If it is not a big deal, then why are transgenders making an issue out of it? If it does not matter if it is a men's or women's room, then why are transgenders making an issue out of which one to go to?
The reason is - because it is a big deal.
I love how you come on here with your hyped up experience, claiming it is no big deal, yet it is the transgenders that seem to have the issue with what room to use. If it was truly no big deal, then we would not have separate rooms, and transgenders would not have said a word about it.
If it is no big deal, then why is there still separate men's and women's bathrooms and locker rooms?
The reason is - because it is a big deal.
If it is not a big deal, then why are transgenders making an issue out of it? If it does not matter if it is a men's or women's room, then why are transgenders making an issue out of which one to go to?
The reason is - because it is a big deal.
I love how you come on here with your hyped up experience, claiming it is no big deal, yet it is the transgenders that seem to have the issue with what room to use. If it was truly no big deal, then we would not have separate rooms, and transgenders would not have said a word about it.
No, it is only a big deal to you because you are overly concerned with other people's genitalia.
I am of the belief that a majority of Americans are not.
Transgenders aren't the ones with the issues on what rooms to use, it is heterosexual people (primarily men) who have issues with what rooms transgenders use. You are the only ones with the problem and you are attempting (unsuccessfully to thinking persons) to extrapolate your personal problems onto others and make it seem "big" when it is not.
Why do you care so much about what shower or bathroom a transgender person uses? I would really like to know, especially outside of "rape" and "pedophilia" of which heterosexual men are much more likely to commit (even against other boys/men).
None of you have even commented on what I stated earlier in that transgendered persons are much more likely to be attacked just by WALKING DOWN THE STREET! They have VERY high incidents of violence focused at them for no reason at all. You all thinking they will prance around with their vaginas around dudes with penises is pretty odd IMO. They are much more likely to hide their actual gender and go to great lengths not to be found out. The whole rape and pedophile thing is stupid due to rapist and pedophiles already rape and assault and molest children, women, and men so this whole bathroom thing will not have an affect on them or curb any rapes/molestations.
I don't know of any real pre-op transwomen that would be interested in taking a public shower with women naked. That idea just betrays an ignorance of real transwomen and what they go through. For one thing, public showering would bring a lot of unwanted attention, the precise things transpeople try to avoid (they want to blend in and be accepted, not to stick out). So the shower issue is a non-issue.
What the real issue is... in North Carolina its suddenly illegal for them to go to relieve themselves in public bathrooms. EVen though it's pretty much a non-issue in the past decades, suddenly religious busybodies have a moral panic because Caitlyn Jenner came out as trans. Ugghh...
I love how you come on here with your hyped up experience, claiming it is no big deal, yet it is the transgenders that seem to have the issue with what room to use. If it was truly no big deal, then we would not have separate rooms, and transgenders would not have said a word about it.
It's a big deal because transpeople are killed every year by people with gay panicked, homophobic reactions when somebody finds out they are trans. Often violent brutal deaths. Do you really want somebody going to the bathroom and feeling threatened that they might have their head caved in?
I don't know of any real pre-op transwomen that would be interested in taking a public shower with women naked. That idea just betrays an ignorance of real transwomen and what they go through. For one thing, public showering would bring a lot of unwanted attention, the precise things transpeople try to avoid (they want to blend in and be accepted, not to stick out). So the shower issue is a non-issue.
It's happened, though, and at least twice in public school districts with MINORS present:
What the real issue is... in North Carolina its suddenly illegal for them to go to relieve themselves in public bathrooms.
False. It's not just about bathrooms. Read the law. It specifically addresses:
Multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facilities - Facilities designed or designated to be used by more than one person at a time where persons may be in various states of undress in the presence of other persons. A multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facility may include, but is not limited to restroom, locker room, changing room, or shower room.
False. It's not just about bathrooms. Read the law. It specifically addresses:
Multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facilities - Facilities designed or designated to be used by more than one person at a time where persons may be in various states of undress in the presence of other persons. A multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facility may include, but is not limited to restroom, locker room, changing room, or shower room.
I think one of the issues is that so many people really believe it is only about single stall toilets and have no clue it includes multiple occupancy locker rooms and showers.
The fact it makes transwomen going to the bathroom practically illegal is reason alone this bill should never have become a law. People have basic rights, even if they are social outcasts.
Transwomen using a locker room to undress is another matter altogether... I don't think its wise for a non-operative transsexual to use a public locker room where their genitals could be an issue, but I'm not sure it should be illegal. It's a difficult issue. They certainly should not be forced to use the boys locker room.
It's a big deal because transpeople are killed every year by people with gay panicked, homophobic reactions when somebody finds out they are trans. Often violent brutal deaths. Do you really want somebody going to the bathroom and feeling threatened that they might have their head caved in?
Yeah women are also assaulted and killed every year by men. Often violent and brutal deaths. Do we really want to leave loopholes where a man that does this can claim to be a woman and NOT be kicked out of the women's restroom?
Yeah women are also assaulted and killed every year by men. Often violent and brutal deaths.
But they aren't killed for just being trans... that's the difference. Many transwomen live with a particular fear that ordinary women do not. The fear that a homophobic male will find out they are "a man" and kill them due to "gay panic". Discriminatory bathroom bills reinforce societal prejudice against transwomen, only reinforcing that fear that being trans is some kind of deception or that transpeople are perverts. And asking a transwoman to use the men's room is asking her to out herself as trans to other men, an invitation to become the object of homophobia.
There are laws in place already about sexual abuse and assault. There's no need to have laws about checking genitals or DNA to go into a bathroom.
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