Is God pleased with the US government? (enemies, election, claims)

[Reactionary]

paperhouse - psst... my name isn't really Reactionary

[paperhouse]

Originally Posted by Reactionary

paperhouse - psst... my name isn't really Reactionary

Lies! It's all lies!

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by RoaminRed

Unlike WW2, you cannot show me any physical evidence of the existence of a deity. However, I can talk to my grandfather, hear his stories of WW2, and touch the scars from the bullet holes in his body. And that's just minor "proof".

Fair enough, and of course, its only common sense. Still your position DOES require a faith in the honesty of your grandfather, a belief in the stories you hear, etc. You believe what you believe because you put trust in other people to convey to you facts that aren't available through your personal experience. We ALL do this, that's my point. It requires 'faith" to believe in God, and "faith" to believe in what's happening today in Baghdad--(unless you happen to BE there)..

[terribletomcat]

Originally Posted by RoaminRed

Now you're being deliberately disingenuous and inflammatory. If you REALLY don't know the answer to that question, I'd suggest you go back to school and get a proper mainstream education without the trappings of religious bias.

The original question was about whether or not we thought "god" was unhappy with this country. If only people who believe in a magical invisible sky wizard were supposed to answer that question, then it should have been posed that way. I don't believe in any deity, period. Therefore it is impossible for one to be unhappy with anything that is happening anywhere in the universe.

You stated that you could prove WWII because you could talk to your Grandfather who served whereas you couldn't talk to anyone that met God. My question was legitimate, if you can't talk to someone from the Civil War, how do you know it happened. I wasn't being inflammatory or any other big word, just proving my point the same way you were.

[Huckleberry3911948]

no he is not. not very pleased with us either.
when the Jews turned from god they got sold
as slaves into Egypt. You wont believe what
happens next.

[RoaminRed]

Originally Posted by macmeal

Fair enough, and of course, its only common sense. Still your position DOES require a faith in the honesty of your grandfather, a belief in the stories you hear, etc. You believe what you believe because you put trust in other people to convey to you facts that aren't available through your personal experience. We ALL do this, that's my point. It requires 'faith" to believe in God, and "faith" to believe in what's happening today in Baghdad--(unless you happen to BE there)..

Not comparable. I can take a trip to go see Baghdad. Try that with a deity.

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by RoaminRed

Not comparable. I can take a trip to go see Baghdad. Try that with a deity.

Someday I will....but it will be a one-way trip. I may be in for a surprise, but I'm betting not. At any rate, I have no choice but to 'be on board'.

On a further note, remember that 500 years ago, the learned consensus was that the world was flat. No one could prove otherwise. In recent years, tribes have been found in New Guinea and Borneo who "knew" inellectually that they were the only human beings on earth.

I happen to be perfectly OK with the notion of intelligent life 'out there" in the universe. I certainly can't prove it....(I certainly can see a shortage of it around HERE)...but it makes more sense to me intellectually, than to believe we are "all there is".

Believing in a supreme being makes more sense to me than believing things just "are" and "were", because 'that's the way it is". THAT, to me, is much harder to visualize than a "God".

[terribletomcat]

Originally Posted by macmeal

Someday I will....but it will be a one-way trip. I may be in for a surprise, but I'm betting not. At any rate, I have no choice but to 'be on board'.

Satan makes us all doubt sometimes. It is part of nature. But God let's me know where I stand. It sure feels good to lay down at night knowing that if I don't wake up, I am going to a better place.

[RoaminRed]

Originally Posted by macmeal

Someday I will....but it will be a one-way trip. I may be in for a surprise, but I'm betting not. At any rate, I have no choice but to 'be on board'.

Oh my god, how could I not see the light? Of course, it's so obvious that since I wasn't present during the Civil War that there must be a god. Thank you all for changing my mind so convincingly. Praise Jesus.

Why do I suddenly have the urge to eat bad crackers and drink grape juice?

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by RoaminRed

Oh my god, how could I not see the light? Of course, it's so obvious that since I wasn't present during the Civil War that there must be a god. Thank you all for changing my mind so convincingly. Praise Jesus.

I know what you mean. A few doses of all that religious 'fluff' can surely make one anxious to get back to the everyday sanity and sensibility of good, basic human-level reasoning. Thanks for that refreshing 'slap in the face'....Think I'll go watch the elections....