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I'm sure offers of whatever help we might need or be able to use have been extended by the Administration of the U.S. The fact remains not a lot can be done to contain a fire of this size and having more people on the ground or planes in the air is not the answer some people might think. Just what is it you think the U.S. has to offer that would make one pizzant bit of difference?
Wildfires are nothing new for Canada. This one might go for months and all the supposed might of the combined efforts of Canada and the U.S. will not make one iota of difference. Protecting established communities is the priority. Maintaining order is another.
The one is manpower of which we have enough of for the moment and the other is basic ingrained morality of which we also have enough of.
I'm sure offers of whatever help we might need or be able to use have been extended by the Administration of the U.S. The fact remains not a lot can be done to contain a fire of this size and having more people on the ground or planes in the air is not the answer some people might think. Just what is it you think the U.S. has to offer that would make one pizzant bit of difference?
Wildfires are nothing new for Canada. This one might go for months and all the supposed might of the combined efforts of Canada and the U.S. will not make one iota of difference. Protecting established communities is the priority. Maintaining order is another.
The one is manpower of which we have enough of for the moment and the other is basic ingrained morality of which we also have enough of.
BruSan: we get it you DON'T like us Americans. My post about "your" fire was out of respect for the Canadian people. Sheesh!
You got the facts wrong. It NOT 400 acres, it is 150 thousand acres, and growing by 50,000 acres per 24 hour time period. To give you some perspective, that area would be about twice the size of the city of Toronto, which is the largest city in Canada. And, as of this morning, there are an additional 54 fires burning in other parts of Alberta. And more in British Columbia, and Saskatchewan and Manitoba
The Fort Mac fire is going to be the largest natural disaster in the history of Canada.
I read about our neighbors next door having to deal with that really bad fire in Alberta; have any other other countries stepped up or at least asked Canada if they need backup in controlling this monster or at least helping out the many people now homeless?
Being an American; I ain't real happy that the US ain't helping out. Unless the MSM is being real quiet about outside help, I don't know.
Yes. Russia has offered to send waterbomber aircraft, equipment and FF manpower.
The fire is completely out of control. Too much pride to ask for help or what?
What kind of help do you think should be asked for?
It appears a lot of people think it's just a matter of trying to control a FOREST fire and put it out with water bombers and by digging fire-breaks in the ground.
What most people don't seem to understand is that the surface ground up there is like an oil-soaked sponge, it's saturated in tarry oil right up to the surface for hundreds of miles around. In places you can't walk across the soft, spongy surface ground without your footsteps filling up within minutes with thick crude oil oozing up out of the ground. The oil is burning.
Forest fires are one thing, but when you have toxic oil soaked ground fires fueling the fires in the trees do you put all the fires out by using waterbombers to dump water onto the burning oil?
The only thing that can really help to put out the forest fire in the trees is if there is a heavy, soaking rain but that won't put out the oil-soaked ground fires. That oily ground is going to burn for months, perhaps years.
So ...... what kind of help should Canada be asking for from other countries that will help to put out the ground fires at the surface and the smouldering that's happening to 3 meters below the surface?
Furthermore - Does Canada have a right to ask other countries to send equipment and people whose lives will be endangered by such extremely hazardous, toxic and unusual conditions?
What kind of help do you think should be asked for?
It appears a lot of people think it's just a matter of trying to control a FOREST fire and put it out with water bombers and by digging fire-breaks in the ground.
What most people don't seem to understand is that the surface ground up there is like an oil-soaked sponge, it's saturated in tarry oil right up to the surface for hundreds of miles around. In places you can't walk across the soft, spongy surface ground without your footsteps filling up within minutes with thick crude oil oozing up out of the ground. The oil is burning.
Forest fires are one thing, but when you have toxic oil soaked ground fires fueling the fires in the trees do you put all the fires out by using waterbombers to dump water onto the burning oil?
The only thing that can really help to put out the forest fire in the trees is if there is a heavy, soaking rain but that won't put out the oil-soaked ground fires. That oily ground is going to burn for months, perhaps years.
So ...... what kind of help should Canada be asking for from other countries that will help to put out the ground fires at the surface and the smouldering that's happening to 3 meters below the surface?
Furthermore - Does Canada have a right to ask other countries to send equipment and people whose lives will be endangered by such extremely hazardous, toxic and unusual conditions?
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To be fair: since the US does get some of its oil from Canada; maybe we CAN help out, if needed.
Yes. Russia has offered to send waterbomber aircraft, equipment and FF manpower.
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They aren't using Bombers they have in country why should the use anyone else? Coulson Tankers flying the biggest bombers in the world and they are on the way to Oshkosh because they didn't get hired.
You got the facts wrong. It NOT 400 acres, it is 150 thousand acres, and growing by 50,000 acres per 24 hour time period. To give you some perspective, that area would be about twice the size of the city of Toronto, which is the largest city in Canada. And, as of this morning, there are an additional 54 fires burning in other parts of Alberta. And more in British Columbia, and Saskatchewan and Manitoba
The Fort Mac fire is going to be the largest natural disaster in the history of Canada.
Jim B.
Going to be biggest natural disaster? I'm afraid that "prize" has come and gone already.
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