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Old 06-30-2008, 07:31 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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I think a line has to be drawn somewhere. For me it is where we all have to redefine the institution of marriage. Homosexuality isn't evil, but it is an ALTERNATIVE lifestyle. There are consequences to living in an alternative fashion.

I just can't see how I can explain to my 5 year old that it doesn't matter a bit whether she marries a man or a woman. That it's no more of an issue than if she likes chocolate or vanilla. By passing this law, that is exactly what the government is conveying.

I'd love her all the same if she is gay, but I'd prefer if she wasn't. I'd prefer she grows up accepting people's differences but recognizing that the conventional marriage consists of a man and a woman.

In most ways, I'm fairly open-minded but this is going too far in my opinion.
Yes, I can see that you're so very open-minded. That was sarcasm. And what consequences to you speak of?
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Old 06-30-2008, 07:56 AM
 
Location: CNJ/NYC
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The subject has been mentioned before. Marriage is a privilege, not a right.
Those who wish to marry must be certain qualifications, such as being old enough. One must also apply for a marriage permit, just like as with a driver's license. Driving a car is not a right, and neither is marriage.
Is voting a right or a privilege? One must be old enough, one must register.

The SCOTUS specifically called marriage a basic civil right. Read Loving vs. Virginia 1967.
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Old 06-30-2008, 07:57 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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The subject has been mentioned before. Marriage is a privilege, not a right.
Those who wish to marry must be certain qualifications, such as being old enough. One must also apply for a marriage permit, just like as with a driver's license. Driving a car is not a right, and neither is marriage.
Dude, it's still a right, duh!!! Doesn't matter that you have to get a license, YOU CAN STILL GET MARRIED regardless. Don't you get it??????
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Old 06-30-2008, 08:02 AM
 
Location: CNJ/NYC
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I think a line has to be drawn somewhere. For me it is where we all have to redefine the institution of marriage.
It's already been redefined in 1967. Are you mad about that line having been crossed already?

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Homosexuality isn't evil, but it is an ALTERNATIVE lifestyle. There are consequences to living in an alternative fashion.
Such as? Why?

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I just can't see how I can explain to my 5 year old that it doesn't matter a bit whether she marries a man or a woman. That it's no more of an issue than if she likes chocolate or vanilla. By passing this law, that is exactly what the government is conveying.
Can you explain to your 5 year old that once she grows up she can date and partner up with a man or a woman and that those relationships are legal and make no difference? Have fun explaining to your daughter, should she turn out to be gay, that her love and relationships don't merit legal protection and that the family she builds will go unprotected. Isn't that a wonderful thing to explain to your kid?

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I'd love her all the same if she is gay, but I'd prefer if she wasn't. I'd prefer she grows up accepting people's differences but recognizing that the conventional marriage consists of a man and a woman.
Conventional marriage consists of a white man and a white woman or a black man and a black woman (if you really wanna get conventional). You're taking for granted that the races can intermarry... it shouldn't be forgotten that this a revision of traditional/conventional marriage.

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In most ways, I'm fairly open-minded but this is going too far in my opinion.
Because?
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: in my mind
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Originally Posted by songgirl View Post
I think a line has to be drawn somewhere. For me it is where we all have to redefine the institution of marriage. Homosexuality isn't evil, but it is an ALTERNATIVE lifestyle. There are consequences to living in an alternative fashion.

I just can't see how I can explain to my 5 year old that it doesn't matter a bit whether she marries a man or a woman. That it's no more of an issue than if she likes chocolate or vanilla. By passing this law, that is exactly what the government is conveying.

I'd love her all the same if she is gay, but I'd prefer if she wasn't. I'd prefer she grows up accepting people's differences but recognizing that the conventional marriage consists of a man and a woman.

In most ways, I'm fairly open-minded but this is going too far in my opinion.

Well you know what... let's just say I don't like the government conveying the idea that fornication is okay. Don't want my kids growing up thinking it's fine to have sex before marriage. I don't want them to get that idea, but all they have to do is look around and they WILL get that idea. So where are the laws preventing unmarried folk from co-habitating? Why is there such a thing as "common law marriage"? Those marriages aren't REAL and they "cheapen" REAL marriage, some would say. It's just government sanctioned fornication.

And this alcohol thing. Sinful. I don't like my kids getting the idea from society that drinking is okay. Bring back prohibition!

Oh yeah, adultery. Why should I have to explain to my kids that people cheat on their spouses yet suffer no punishment? Let's bring back some punitive consequences for THAT.




For the record I'm being facetious. I try not to concern myself at all with what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't affect me and harms none.

Point is, what values you feel are important enough to impart to your children is YOUR business and YOUR responsibility to teach.

Since you brought up the "why should I have to explain to my child" argument. I have kids. There are many things that I don't think are right that are perfectly legal. I let my children know that I believe that this or that is wrong and I hope they won't do it but I cannot change the fact that it's legal.
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Dude, it's still a right, duh!!! Doesn't matter that you have to get a license, YOU CAN STILL GET MARRIED regardless. Don't you get it??????
You can't if you don't meet certain qualifications... duh!!!
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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The subject has been mentioned before. Marriage is a privilege, not a right.
Those who wish to marry must be certain qualifications, such as being old enough. One must also apply for a marriage permit, just like as with a driver's license. Driving a car is not a right, and neither is marriage.
Marriage is a human right not a heterosexual privelege. Someone may have to be old enough, they may have to apply for a marriage permit, but it is a right that someone has regardless of their sexual oriention. Someone isn't priveleged to it because they're heterosexual. Society won't fall apart if homosexuals are actually given that right.
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:18 PM
 
Location: South Bend,IN
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Uhhhh....geeesh....where do I begin on this issue? I personally do not agree with gay marriages for more various reasons than I can write here! From a religious standpoint it is against God's law and from a social standpoint it sends mixed messages to our youth...especially those involved with gay parents.
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:31 PM
 
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You can't if you don't meet certain qualifications... duh!!!
That doesn't mean it isn't a right.
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Old 06-30-2008, 02:32 PM
 
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So for all of you that are against it from a religious standpoint look at it from a legal standpoint..

I read a story about a woman who was denied to see a partner of many years in the hospital. Even though she had power of attorney she could not see her partner. Her partner ends up dying. No matter what side of the fence you are on you cannot think that is just and right.
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