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Old 05-15-2016, 09:11 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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Please, that has nothing to do with any law.
Here's the thing. If conservatives want to make their case that these laws really do harm women and children, they need to make their case rationally and truthfully. Facts trump hyperbole and emotion every time.

As usual though, we will probably start setting a lot more emotionally-charged stories on sites like TheBlaze, that don't really have anything to do with any of these laws, but spun in just such a way to make the reader think they do. This will re-enforce right-wing hysteria but will further divide conservatives from the rest of the country on this issue.

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Old 05-15-2016, 09:12 AM
 
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Please, that has nothing to do with any law.
In Houston, had HERO passed, it could have.

Business owner thinking to himself, "Why is that man looking at and loitering by the women's restroom? I'm going to ask what he's doing. But if he is transgender and files a complaint with the city, I could end up in trouble. I'll just let him be; I can't jeopardize my business when it might be nothing."
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Old 05-15-2016, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Here's the thing. If conservatives want to make their case that these laws really do harm women and children, they need to make their case rationally and truthfully. Facts trump hyperbole and emotion every time.

As usual though, we will probably start setting a lot more emotionally-charged stories on sites like TheBlaze, that don't really have anything to do with any of these laws, but spun in just such a way to make the reader think they do.

Here is one link that shows the number of registered sex offenders in the US and state by state: State By State Numbers Of Registered Sex Offenders In The US - WorldAtlas.com. Here is another link that talks about the number of transsexuals in the US: Polare 44: How Many of Us Are There? | The Gender Centre Inc.. Whether you want to use the 1 in 30,000 figure or the 1 in 2500 figure there are still far fewer than the number of registered sex offenders in the US. I could also have grabbed links that point to the number of sex offenders as much higher.


I do know that most registered sex offenders are not in HS. But some will be. Besides; these new rules go for all bathrooms and locker rooms all over the Country. You say that "Facts trump hyperbole and emotion every time." so lets play that numbers game. How many are we going to keep happy while endangering the lives of others?


But, more importantly, how much will this cost our Country? I can only speculate; since we have no figures to go by so far. That it will lead to many law suits. I can also envision that many restrooms will have to be 'modernized' to accompany these changes. You cannot have open stall, open urinals, or see through stalls with everybody using all the facilities - plus you need good locks. Some small business owners will not be able to bear the cost and will go out of business. Some will simply close their public bathrooms. The inconvenience and cost will affect everybody.
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Old 05-15-2016, 10:19 AM
 
Location: USA
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Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing is much ado about nothing?
I agree. I'm pissed at both sides for making this an issue.
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Old 05-15-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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Ahhhhhh, Dumbama must have forgot about his Muslim brothers, lol!
Wow, in 10 words, you've managed so say so, so much about yourself.
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Old 05-15-2016, 12:16 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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you know what I really think?


I think this is a push by progressives. I don't think they care one iota about transgendered people.


They just looked around and found the most outlandish way to attack the culture because destroying the culture is the number 1 thing on the agenda of the progressive movement.
What culture of you talking about?
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Old 05-15-2016, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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If you cant see the problem with little kids using the bathrooms, or dressing, and GROWN men coming in there. You need to be checked for your sanity!
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Old 05-15-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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If you cant see the problem with little kids using the bathrooms, or dressing, and GROWN men coming in there. You need to be checked for your sanity!
What's the problem?

As a male, it isn't totally uncommon to have small children in the restroom. They have to go somewhere to use the bathroom too.
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Old 05-15-2016, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Here's the thing. If conservatives want to make their case that these laws really do harm women and children, they need to make their case rationally and truthfully. Facts trump hyperbole and emotion every time.

As usual though, we will probably start setting a lot more emotionally-charged stories on sites like TheBlaze, that don't really have anything to do with any of these laws, but spun in just such a way to make the reader think they do. This will re-enforce right-wing hysteria but will further divide conservatives from the rest of the country on this issue.
What do you mean conservatives??? This isn't a conservative issue it is an issue of common sense, safety, and privacy. There is nothing right-wing about a woman not wanting anatomical males in the bathroom or locker room with her. I'm a former Democrat, now an independent, and my entire family is Democratic and think this is nuts. Houston is a majority Democratic city and voted over 60% to shut this this down. The nosedive that Target's stock took is another example. Do you think these are only Bible thumpers or an extreme right minority who are against this? You are sorely mistaken.

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Old 05-15-2016, 03:52 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Here's the thing. If conservatives want to make their case that these laws really do harm women and children, they need to make their case rationally and truthfully. Facts trump hyperbole and emotion every time.
OK... Here are the FACTS for you...
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"Most Americans (59 percent) aren't comfortable with the idea of transgender students picking which bathroom or locker room to use, and think they should use the facilities of the gender they were born as, while 26 percent think they should be allowed to use the bathrooms and locker rooms of their preferred gender.

...Just 23 percent of Americans age 30 and older think transgender students should be able to pick which facilities to use, compared to 35 percent of Americans under 30"
​CBS News Poll: Transgender kids and school bathrooms/locker rooms - CBS News

Just look at the response of those old enough to have kids... 77% of the age 30+ population doesn't want transgenders to be able to "choose" which facilities (men's/boys' or women's/girls') to use.

There's NO way 77% of the age 30+ population are conservatives.
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