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Old 05-10-2016, 12:06 PM
 
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What "natural rights" does a man adrift in the middle of the ocean have that nature is obliged to observe?


"Rights" are a social construct, the privileges of the powerful.
Nature is not a social construct. The conditions are dictated by the natural world outside of what humans can control.




The man adrift in the middle of the ocean has every right in the world as long as he does not initiate force on another. Same as if he was in NYC.

 
Old 05-10-2016, 12:07 PM
 
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This is how I see being free of government. If this were the case, people would be free to act on their feelings. The truth is, the evil would do ugly things. Without laws, only the lawless would live.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 12:26 PM
 
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Nature is not a social construct. The conditions are dictated by the natural world outside of what humans can control.




The man adrift in the middle of the ocean has every right in the world as long as he does not initiate force on another. Same as if he was in NYC.
I'm an adherent to Objectivism and could not agree with you more.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 12:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk
What "natural rights" does a man adrift in the middle of the ocean have that nature is obliged to observe?


"Rights" are a social construct, the privileges of the powerful.


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Nature is not a social construct. The conditions are dictated by the natural world outside of what humans can control.


Since I never said that nature was a social construct, that was a strawman argument on your part.


The concept of "rights" is only manifest in a social environment. A man adrift at sea may determine in his own mind that he has "rights," but nature will not observe them.


The idea that there is a set of "rights" in the universe existing independently of a social structure that observes them is nothing but another form of supernatural mysticism.

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Old 05-10-2016, 12:45 PM
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ralph_Kirk
What "natural rights" does a man adrift in the middle of the ocean have that nature is obliged to observe?


"Rights" are a social construct, the privileges of the powerful.


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Since I never said that nature was a social construct, that was a strawman argument on your part.


The concept of "rights" is only manifest in a social environment. A hermit may determine in his own mind that he has "rights," but nature will not observe them.


The idea that there is a set of "rights" in the universe existing independently of a social structure that observes them is nothing but another form of supernatural mysticism.
Untrue. 'Social structure' as you present it is just another form of enslavement. Darwin really WAS right. Survival of the fittest should be the only criteria for any human or animal (of any species) to be judged upon. Not pity or welfare, not 'goodwill' that makes it incumbent for someone else to pay and shoulder someone elses financial or 'social' burden.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 12:53 PM
 
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And it was also people like Thurmond, Faubus, Maddox, and O'Connor. The people who were so against the big government were championing Jim Crow and other abuses.
If you are suggesting I am not aware that racism went well beyond Wallace, please read my comment again.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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If you are suggesting I am not aware that racism went well beyond Wallace, please read my comment again.
I was adding on more, not making any kind of suggestions.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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Untrue. 'Social structure' as you present it is just another form of enslavement. Darwin really WAS right. Survival of the fittest should be the only criteria for any human or animal (of any species) to be judged upon. Not pity or welfare, not 'goodwill' that makes it incumbent for someone else to pay and shoulder someone elses financial or 'social' burden.
So, then, the individual (and his gang) who gains the most physical power is the "fittest" and dictates what "rights" anyone else may have.


Notice that this, too, is a social structure.
 
Old 05-10-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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So, then, the individual (and his gang) who gains the most physical power is the "fittest" and dictates what "rights" anyone else may have.
Sounds pretty much the way warlords work.
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