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Old 05-11-2016, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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Public colleges with high quality students, yes.
In Asian and most European countries, top universities are all public ones. The US, Canada, UK etc. are the opposite.
Why? Why should the tax payer be required to pay for your public college education? You keep saying that they should, but have yet to give a reason why. What entitles you to a free education?
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Old 05-11-2016, 05:52 PM
 
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No. Who's paying for it. I do believe that salaries need to be kept under control.
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Old 05-11-2016, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Public colleges with high quality students, yes.
In Asian and most European countries, top universities are all public ones. The US, Canada, UK etc. are the opposite.
Asian and European universities are also VERY selective about who they let in, it isn't as if every european gets a free college education, less than 30% do. The rest go to trade schools, apprenticeships or simply find jobs to pay for the 30%. You think most Americans will support, and pay for, "free" college but only for the top 25% of students?
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Why people wouldn't want all to be more educated and better citizens is beyond me. But I'd start off with free technical school some fare well in higher education but some just good with their hands . Start there. High school technical n up. Maybe if you get basics in people better off to go for higher education. Right now we have a future of indebted citizens from the start.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:09 PM
 
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You're right, it could be.

But the path to making that a reality is not paved with expecting someone else to pay for your education.
Thinking that way is what keeps the prices high. Why not question why college presidents of state universities make more than the president of USA? Why are there huge tax breaks to corporations and hedge funders? We had lots of tax cuts for the wealthy under GWB and Obama while the middle class paid for wars that GWB's cronies profited from, why not repeal them? And honestly - why is it seniors who benefited from public schools, social security, medicare, local senior centers, etc so reluctant to "pay for other people?"
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Anytime you subsize something, you get more of it.

When universities have a guaranteed payer in Uncle Sam, there is no longer any incentive to keep costs competitive.

The same concept applies to healthcare/insurance .

When someone else is paying the bills, the cost to the end user becomes irrelevant.....until the bill comes due, with interest.
You're stating opinions, which is okay, but it's not okay that you mistake your opinions for facts.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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Why people wouldn't want all to be more educated and better citizens is beyond me. But I'd start off with free technical school some fare well in higher education but some just good with their hands . Start there. High school technical n up. Maybe if you get basics in people better off to go for higher education. Right now we have a future of indebted citizens from the start.
It's not free if someone else is footing the bill.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:15 PM
 
Location: California
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High quality workers benefit the whole society, not just themselves. Imagine the US has no IT industry...
So it makes sense for everyone to pay for their education a little bit, but they also need to pay a portion of it.
Nope they need to pay for their education, Gas stations benefit from me buying a car but they don't help me pay for it. The company who hires them might benefit from their education but me not so much.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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You're stating opinions, which is okay, but it's not okay that you mistake your opinions for facts.
If someone else is paying for your education, what reason do you have to care about how much it costs?

When the college has a guaranteed payer, what incentive do they have to keep costs down?
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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If someone else is paying for your education, what reason do you have to care about how much it costs?

When the college has a guaranteed payer, what incentive do they have to keep costs down?
You can make plenty of incentives to do just that. You're too into the let big business reign free concept to understand that.

I was the principal of a school. We were publicly funded. There were plenty of restrictions on how I could spend money.
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