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The Russians lost a huge amount of people during that war....America came in late after the heavy lifting was over. Meanwhile Prescott Bush the grandfather of George was selling weapons to the Germans....THEN with the profits of this immoral act managed to install two Presidents....Never made sense...you kill Americans...make some money and you get your sons to be president....what a weird world where money is more important than human life.
What do you drive? Ford, Chev, Mitsubishi, Toyota, Did you take a Bayer aspirin lately? Name almost any old school corporation and I'll show you profits made by selling weapons to both sides during WW2. Name a New school corporation and I'll point to the tech that made them prosper had roots in tech from both side in WW2....SO what?
To some extent Hitler saved the world from himself. Hitler was personally responsible for a massive loss at Stalingrad. Hitler convinced himself that his Aryan supermen could fight the Russians and the British Empire simultaneously. Hitler under manned and under supplied his Africa corps. Hitler was convinced that Normandy was a feint and that the main allied thrust would come at Calais. The German jet plane ME 262 would have dominated the skies of Europe instead of a trip back to the drawing board costing precious time.
Without Hitler's orders, his troops would have retreated and regrouped at Stalingrad. Without Hitlers orders not ot be disturbed. the Panzers would have been available to Rommel at Normandy.
The German high command would have made a more formidable enemy without that anchor.
Lastly, when the Jews were being disenfranchised and murdered, they were pleading with their tormentors that they were German. Hitler deprived Germany of the most intellectually disciplined ethnic group in the world.
Agreed and HOW!
Tho the crazy thing is looking at Israel in 2016; it seems those Jews pretty much copied and pasted a LOT of the "Nazi" way of doing things but, drew the line at genocide. Israel for its size is quite potent.
We were taught facts, that the USSR was an ally and that, as allies, we won the war. It wasn't until later when I started reading books about WW2 that I knew the true extent of their losses or about battles like Stalingrad. I'm fairly certain that, unless you take a real interest in individual wars, you really won't know the details of them like the geeks (and I mean that with affection) who have been posting on this thread.
Btw, whenever I hear someone say that they have met many Americans who didnt know this or that, I usually think they are lying.
I live in Vancouver, which is near the US border. I have been going to the US since 1964, when I was a child. Trips to the US must be over 100.
I had family in California, Oklahoma and Tennessee and friends in other states.
I have met thousands of Americans over that time, here in Canada, the US and on travels around the world.
Not sure why you wouldn't believe me. I bet if you randomly asked 10 average Americans about Canada and the world wars, you will most likely draw a blank look from more than half of them.
The German jet plane ME 262 would have dominated the skies of Europe instead of a trip back to the drawing board costing precious time.
no it wouldnt have. while the ME262 was a very good aircraft, by the time it was in squadron service with the luftwaffe, the P80 was already in development. and as fast as the ME262 was, the P80 ws still 100mph FASTER, AND it turned better than the 262. and you can bet that if it was needed in the european theater, lockheed would have been building them as fast as north american was building P51s.
and note that the 262 had a much shorter range, as well as a much shorter TBO than the P80 had. so the 262 might have dominated the skies over europe for a brief period of time, the US would have deployed the P80 and mopped the skies with the 262.
Tho the crazy thing is looking at Israel in 2016; it seems those Jews pretty much copied and pasted a LOT of the "Nazi" way of doing things but, drew the line at genocide. Israel for its size is quite potent.
If Israel weren't "potent" it would not exist. Having lived through a holocaust, the Jews are determined not to experience another. Wouldn't you be?
If Israel weren't "potent" it would not exist. Having lived through a holocaust, the Jews are determined not to experience another. Wouldn't you be?
Did I say Israel was wrong for taking care of business? What I DID say that Israel "borrowed" some of Hitler's smart ideas and, put them into use. Holocaust was def NOT smart.
Did I say Israel was wrong for taking care of business? What I DID say that Israel "borrowed" some of Hitler's smart ideas and, put them into use. Holocaust was def NOT smart.
Sigh. Okay, describe one of Hitler's ideas that Israel " borrowed." Kibbutzim? Desalinization plants? Giving back the Sinai and Gaza?
Yah, the Nazis had Socialist in their name, just as all the Communist countries style themselves the Democratic Republic of this 'n' that. The mere name doesn't convey anything of substance however, it's just a name.
The Democrats have Democrat in their name no different than East Germany had Democratic in its name and Kampuchia had Democratic in its name--which proves that anything with Democrat in the name is hard progressive leftist.
The USSR had Socialist in its name and Bernie Sanders has Socialist on his U.S. Senatorial ballots--which proves that anything with Socialist in the name is hard progressive leftist.
The Nazis had "Socialist" and "Workers" in their name because they were hard progressive leftist. Nobody shows up for a "Socialist Workers Party" function who isn't anything other than a progressive leftist. You instinctively know that.
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The Nazis weren't a Leftist party.
Yes they were.
What the chastened progressive-left is doing even today by saying Obama is not leftist, is a cardinal example of the kind of damage control its demoralized adherents always do--straight out of the playbook that their antecedents used mid-century when its Socialist German Workers Party fell out of favor in the public eye.
Every time the dark underbelly of the progressive left is exposed and the public is repulsed, the left always disavows, places blame and attempts to brush off cooties onto an innocent bystander group.
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As proof, the criteria for admission were some belief in the destiny of the Aryan race (a term to be defined @ some later, convenient time), & a rabid anti-Jewish & anti-Communist commitment (& anti-homosexuals, intellectuals, Roma, Slavs, Orientals - basically anyone who wasn't Aryan or who opposed the Nazis on any grounds whatsoever). I think of the Nazis as more a cult of personality, the personality being Hitler & his belief.
well, The top scorer with the Me-262 was Heinz Baer of JV44 (220 victories), who scored 16 victories with it. If I remember it correctly.
yes herr baer was credited with a total of 220-221 air victories, but only 16 of them were in the 262, since the 262 only scored 502 total air victories.
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