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Old 05-15-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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Sorry I don't watch videos on the EWTN network. It is a mouthpiece for the Roman Church and since I don't believe most of their dogma, I am certainly not going to watch a video they make available.
you support the medical insurance companies who are pushing this agenda, to save money then?
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Old 05-15-2016, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Individuals should have the right to end their life if all they are is alive. Being alive is not living. I'm sure if I were in a terminally ill position, I may have family members who do not want me to go, but guess what, I don't care. I don't want to have to be hooked up to a machine for the rest of my life just to be able to sort of interact with my family and friends for a few hours a day, before I grow to tired to even comprehend what is happening around me. I don't want to have to eat and breathe through a tube just to stay alive for a few years confined to a bed. If you have a moral disagreement, I'd say you're in the wrong. Prolonging someone's suffering and reducing their life to just existing is immoral. It's inhumane.

If individual doctors don't want to actually euthanize someone, then of course they should have the right to not do so. I, even in a position of suffering, would not want to force someone to end my life for me who truly is not comfortable doing so. But they don't get to stop me from finding someone who will.

The fear that people with be euthanized without their knowledge is pretty ridiculous in my mind. I'll say this, if we live in a country where this is happening, we have bigger problems than just that. Something big is going wrong. But let's assume we don't live in some fascist hell-hole. Anyone should have the right to sign a document at any point in their life saying that if they fall terminally ill, they should have the right to request being painlessly euthanized so that they don't have to suffer jsut to appease someone else's weird sense of intrusive morality.

Thank You!


Here, in PA, we have many hospices. Most of those are to keep the terminally ill 'comfortable' until their time comes. Even though we do not claim to endorse euthanasia; we do allow doctors to pull the feeding tubes. The patients then die over several days. Of course they can have no brain activity before the doctors will ask the families if they want to pull the tubes. They insist that the patients feel no pain.


It just gets me that we allow a slow death; but turn our backs on the quick and painless death! I went through this two times already and I could go through it again shortly. My mother has suffered from two strokes and now sits, like a vegetable, all day long. Years ago she told us that she was against any means to prolong her life; she even stated that she had saved pills to ensure that would not happen. But she never took them, because like so many, we cling to life until we do not have the ability to carry out our resolve. I do not want to see my mother go; but this is not the quality of life she envisioned nor the quality of life I envision for myself in the future. She has round the clock health care workers. But, I suspect, that it will not be long before she is moved the hospice.


People hear euthanasia and they don't think about their own future or their demise. Unless you are there and watch your loved ones slowly fade away; you have no idea about how your life will end. We love our pets and we do not want them to suffer or when they can no longer can get around and enjoy life - so we do the 'right' thing and have them euthanized. We do not give it one extra thought that they did not go to heaven - we know that they went peacefully and we would want the same for ourselves.


All I am saying is that we should discus this topic and there is only one right way. It is inhuman to think otherwise.
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Old 05-15-2016, 08:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why, when things happen in other countries, the paranoid always believe 'it's coming here'?

weird

For some reason, we have to be like them(The Collective Socialist)
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Old 05-15-2016, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Camberville
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I hope it does spread to the US. The business of dying here is cruel. Give those who want to end the suffering the option to die with dignity.
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Old 05-15-2016, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Dear State,

Where can I walk? How many fish may I catch? Am I allowed to gather rain water on my property? May I build a fence around my home? How much money should I pay someone to do a job for me? When can I die?

Signed, A Loyal Servant
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Old 05-15-2016, 08:56 AM
 
Location: North America
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Ah yes, a film made by the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition. That couldn't be filled with bias or anything.
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Old 05-15-2016, 09:55 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Thank You!


Here, in PA, we have many hospices. Most of those are to keep the terminally ill 'comfortable' until their time comes. Even though we do not claim to endorse euthanasia; we do allow doctors to pull the feeding tubes. The patients then die over several days. Of course they can have no brain activity before the doctors will ask the families if they want to pull the tubes. They insist that the patients feel no pain.

Hospice... Brought to you via Dr. Kevorkian.... What Hospice does was once illegal and nothing more than forced suicide(pre-mature killing) Legal murder.

I watched them try to kill my dad. Telling me all kinda crap. I knew in my gut they were going to kill him, no food no water....."he cannot swallow they told me" I showed them he could infact swallow and they freaked out, showing me the door said they were going to file charges on me for abusing the elderly(my dad)(Christopher House, Austin TX.)

They were going to make his kidneys shutdown and feed him morphine to "keep him comfortable" while we kill him. No one leaves hospice, Cathrine Berry told me with a straight face... Well, my dad must be the first. He lived another 4 years after I rehabbed him at home back to normal and died he of a stroke as he was sleeping in his own bed.


The health insurance industry and Medicare both sanction Hospice and what they do for them in cutting cost. We need this guy off the books.
I had no clue what Hospice was and it was sold to us as rehab. Once we signed, they had him.

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Old 05-15-2016, 11:02 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Hospice... Brought to you via Dr. Kevorkian.... What Hospice does was once illegal and nothing more than forced suicide(pre-mature killing) Legal murder.

I watched them try to kill my dad. Telling me all kinda crap. I knew in my gut they were going to kill him, no food no water....."he cannot swallow they told me" I showed them he could infact swallow and they freaked out, showing me the door said they were going to file charges on me for abusing the elderly(my dad)(Christopher House, Austin TX.)

They were going to make his kidneys shutdown and feed him morphine to "keep him comfortable" while we kill him. No one leaves hospice, Cathrine Berry told me with a straight face... Well, my dad must be the first. He lived another 4 years after I rehabbed him at home back to normal and died he of a stroke as he was sleeping in his own bed.


The health insurance industry and Medicare both sanction Hospice and what they do for them in cutting cost. We need this guy off the books.
I had no clue what Hospice was and it was sold to us as rehab. Once we signed, they had him.
That is an amazing story. Can I ask what your father suffered from, what caused him to have a hospice referral? When my mother went to hospice, she had brain and bone cancer. You can't come back from that.
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Old 05-15-2016, 11:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That is an amazing story. Can I ask what your father suffered from, what caused him to have a hospice referral? When my mother went to hospice, she had brain and bone cancer. You can't come back from that.

He had fallen in the shower and hit his head on the tiles, he didn't tell any one he lived independent and alone. We saw signs something was not right when we would talk to him on the phone what we now know was a month or so afterward. His speech was slurred a little. Went over to eat with him, he had BBq'ed. Noticed his balance was off(dad been drinking? he doesn't drink) and while eating, he was falling asleep. Next day we had him to the doctor.

They checked him out and said he had hit his head hard and had "stains" one from longer than the other. Concussion blood stains. They kept him for observation.

Doc calls me at 10pm to let me know they figured out what was wrong with dad. They wanted to place drain tubes to relieve pressure that was causing his symptoms.

We where there in recovery and was told everything went OK, surgical doctor says he should recover well.
Then this other doctor comes in and tells us they did all these neurological test and dad is not going to be able to breath when they take the breathing tube out and he has lost most brain function.... What??

I called my sister and she flew in from out of state. We pulled the tube everyone crying and the man took a breath and first thing he said was he was hungry. He knew his name and his birthday.

After a few days in the hospital recovery , what I thought was rehab and sold to us as the perfect rehab, where you can bring dads dog to him and it was just roses. They took all his medicine and because he was still weak, were feeding him temporarily through a nose tube and they grabbed all the liquid nourishment and off we went.

Get there, no medications, no food and no water... Only comfort and morphine.

My dad was 82 yo. Received the medal of honor in Korea and Vietnam and beat everything thrown at him.
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Old 05-15-2016, 11:57 AM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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He had fallen in the shower and hit his head on the tiles, he didn't tell any one he lived independent and alone. We saw signs something was not right when we would talk to him on the phone what we now know was a month or so afterward. His speech was slurred a little. Went over to eat with him, he had BBq'ed. Noticed his balance was off(dad been drinking? he doesn't drink) and while eating, he was falling asleep. Next day we had him to the doctor.

They checked him out and said he had hit his head hard and had "stains" one from longer than the other. Concussion blood stains. They kept him for observation.

Doc calls me at 10pm to let me know they figured out what was wrong with dad. They wanted to place drain tubes to relieve pressure that was causing his symptoms.

We where there in recovery and was told everything went OK, surgical doctor says he should recover well.
Then this other doctor comes in and tells us they did all these neurological test and dad is not going to be able to breath when they take the breathing tube out and he has lost most brain function.... What??

I called my sister and she flew in from out of state. We pulled the tube everyone crying and the man took a breath and first thing he said was he was hungry. He knew his name and his birthday.

After a few days in the hospital recovery , what I thought was rehab and sold to us as the perfect rehab, where you can bring dads dog to him and it was just roses. They took all his medicine and because he was still weak, were feeding him temporarily through a nose tube and they grabbed all the liquid nourishment and off we went.

Get there, no medications, no food and no water... Only comfort and morphine.

My dad was 82 yo. Received the medal of honor in Korea and Vietnam and beat everything thrown at him.
Wow, something went wrong there. The two things that gave me pause on assisted suicide is I don't trust the cozy relationships between the people dispensing medical care and those responsible for paying for it, the insurance companies. The second thing is brain injuries. We don't know enough about the human brain, in my opinion, to make qualified medical opinions in many cases. I have to say though, my father died of complications from MS after a 6 month stay in a hospital. My mom, as I said, died of cancer at home, in hospice care. I know which one I'd select for me.
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