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There is no privacy when an anatomical male can walk through a girls' open multiple occupancy locker/shower room at any time he wants.
You seem to think the only thing to be considered is a curtained stall. It's not. That's tunnel vision. How do anatomically opposite gender persons GET to those curtained stalls (and in the IL school district, it's only 5 stalls provided for about 75 students needing to use the locker room per class period)? By walking THROUGH the open multiple occupancy locker/shower rooms where MINOR girls are in various stages of undress.
In the IL school district MTF trans with a penis and testicles case, the solution of providing separate facilities for transgenders was rejected by the Obama Admin. They insisted transgenders MUST have unrestricted access to and use of the locker/shower rooms of their choice.
Look it does not take a rocket scientist or a building engineer to prevent penises or vagina's being exposed. Some schools have been dealing with it with no known issues. Since this thread was about athletics I will stick to that from here on in.
Look it does not take a rocket scientist or a building engineer to prevent penises or vagina's being exposed. Some schools have been dealing with it with no known issues.
And others have been dealing with it and there HAVE been issues...
A FTM trans with a vagina was expelled by a PA state university for repeatedly using the men's multiple occupancy restrooms/locker/shower rooms on campus. The male students complained in that case. Federal court upheld the expulsion in 2015:
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"This case arises from Plaintiff Seamus Johnston’s allegations that Defendants discriminated against him based on his sex and his transgender status(1) by prohibiting him from using sex-segregated locker rooms and restrooms that were designated for men. Although the parties have submitted lengthy briefs and have advanced numerous arguments, this case presents one central question: whether a university, receiving federal funds, engages in unlawful discrimination, in violation of the United States Constitution and federal and state statutes, when it prohibits a transgender male student from using sex-segregated restrooms and locker rooms designated for men on a university campus. The simple answer is no."
(1) Plaintiff was born a female but identifies as a transgender male."
And others have been dealing with it and there HAVE been issues...
A FTM trans with a vagina was expelled by a PA state university for repeatedly using the men's multiple occupancy restrooms/locker/shower rooms on campus. The male students complained in that case. Federal court upheld the expulsion in 2015: http://www.utimes.pitt.edu/documents...tonOpinion.pdf
It would be interesting to know how they resolved this. I bet if that student is still in school they are not using the ladies room, rather the student was given special accommodations versus being allowed to freely walk around the locker room. I wonder how those that complained would of felt if a trans women with a nice busty chest (implants), lipstick and penis was freely walking around the mens locker-room naked? And again we are off topic. Lets keep it to sports.
I'm pretty sure a school would be called out immediately, if they showed up to a girls basketball/volleyball/enter whatever competitive sport you want, with mostly boys who "identified with being a girl". I could see one...ONE. But anymore than that, would raise red flags immediately - especially if they are athletically gifted. Transgenders make up what, .03 of the population...so yea.
The Olympics are already embracing transgenders. It's just a matter of time before everyone else does the same.
Consider black athletes for a moment. Jackie Robinson was the first and the ranks of professional sports have swelled with black athletes since. Despite only being about 10% of the population, blacks athletes are -- on average -- slightly better at certain sports. Demand for better athletes drives everything.
So what happens when you have a much smaller demographic of the population that is generally vastly better in women's sports? And we're talking ridiculously better here, not just slightly better. The rules of supply and demand rapidly take over. Athletes who fail to reach their professional sports or Olympic dreams as a man just need to have a convenient identity crisis and they can achieve their dreams as a woman. Transgenders will rapidly take over every women's sport at the global or professional level. How can a biological woman hope to compete??
Transgenders are going to ruin women's sports. It's just a matter of time.
The Olympics are already embracing transgenders. It's just a matter of time before everyone else does the same.
Consider black athletes for a moment. Jackie Robinson was the first and the ranks of professional sports have swelled with black athletes since. Despite only being about 10% of the population, blacks athletes are -- on average -- slightly better at certain sports. Demand for better athletes drives everything.
So what happens when you have a much smaller demographic of the population that is generally vastly better in women's sports? And we're talking ridiculously better here, not just slightly better. The rules of supply and demand rapidly take over. Athletes who fail to reach their professional sports or Olympic dreams as a man just need to have a convenient identity crisis and they can achieve their dreams as a woman. Transgenders will rapidly take over every women's sport at the global or professional level. How can a biological woman hope to compete??
Transgenders are going to ruin women's sports. It's just a matter of time.
There have now been several threads pertaining to trans athletes. I will weigh in on this one as well.
As far as college, the NCAA has a policy in place when it comes to trans athletes. For a male to female trans to compete as a women they must have been on hormone therapy for at least 1 year. To my knowledge there has yet to be a m2f trans college athlete. On the other hand a female to male trans athlete can compete as a female as long as they are not on testosterone. If they are on testosterone then they must compete as a male. There has been several collegiate trans men.
As far as High School I would like to see the same policy adopted. Not doing so ruins the integrity of sports.
A biological man gets testosterone for a lifetime before "switching sides" and becoming a woman. This means they have a man's build, a man's musculature, a man's bone structure, a man's bone density, a man's knees and hips, large manly hands, etc. Hormone therapy does't erase all the muscles, but it's the skeletal shape and structure that is the most persistent unfair advantage. Women's bodies are biologically built for making babies. Men's bodies are biologically built for hard work, violence and higher performance tasks. Example: WNBA players are always blowing out their knees because women's knees aren't built to take the same kind of punishment that a man's can. Knee injuries are way more common in women's basketball compared to men's. A trans woman WNBA player wouldn't have to worry about that nearly as much and their skeletal structure is better designed to run faster, jump higher and get injured less.
"To my knowledge there has yet to be a m2f trans college athlete." Speaks volumes doesn't it? There haven't been any because biological women are at a serious disadvantage when competing against men. That was the whole reason for segregating sports by gender in the first place.
The trend towards transgendered female athletes will continue to grow and grow. All sports are constantly looking for better athletes and any advantage they can get. Sports teams will proceed with caution. If they meet little or no resistance, then it'll grow and grow until the greater majority of professional female athletes will have been born male.
It would be interesting to know how they resolved this. I bet if that student is still in school they are not using the ladies room, rather the student was given special accommodations versus being allowed to freely walk around the locker room. I wonder how those that complained would of felt if a trans women with a nice busty chest (implants), lipstick and penis was freely walking around the mens locker-room naked? And again we are off topic. Lets keep it to sports.
"trans women with a nice busty chest (implants), lipstick and penis"
A biological man gets testosterone for a lifetime before "switching sides" and becoming a woman. This means they have a man's build, a man's musculature, a man's bone structure, a man's bone density, a man's knees and hips, large manly hands, etc. Hormone therapy does't erase all the muscles, but it's the skeletal shape and structure that is the most persistent unfair advantage. Women's bodies are biologically built for making babies. Men's bodies are biologically built for hard work, violence and higher performance tasks. Example: WNBA players are always blowing out their knees because women's knees aren't built to take the same kind of punishment that a man's can. Knee injuries are way more common in women's basketball compared to men's. A trans woman WNBA player wouldn't have to worry about that nearly as much and their skeletal structure is better designed to run faster, jump higher and get injured less.
"To my knowledge there has yet to be a m2f trans college athlete." Speaks volumes doesn't it? There haven't been any because biological women are at a serious disadvantage when competing against men. That was the whole reason for segregating sports by gender in the first place.
The trend towards transgendered female athletes will continue to grow and grow. All sports are constantly looking for better athletes and any advantage they can get. Sports teams will proceed with caution. If they meet little or no resistance, then it'll grow and grow until the greater majority of professional female athletes will have been born male.
I appreciate your synopsis, but unless your are a medical professional that specializes in trans health I will listen to them. Like I said in my post, the policies were adapted based on what the medical profession has told us. At this point it is a trial basis and if it turns out your right and they are wrong then it can be changed. Same goes with the IOC policy.
To date the only MtF trans that has competed against women is MMA fighter Fallon Fox. She did destroy one opponent which may have been an anomaly since her other bouts were pretty competitive and even lost one.
"trans women with a nice busty chest (implants), lipstick and penis"
Excuse me while I throw up on my keyboard......
I can see you live in a bubble. Why don't you look at some she-male porn and you will see what I mean. There are tons of trans females out there that you would never know until they dropped their pants.
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