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Old 05-24-2016, 05:11 PM
 
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Agreed, people just don't care about facts....

That's not what I said, now that really made me chuckle because as most lefties they twist words to suit themselves, but not what is actually said...

You really don't get it do you...

Hey, you know there is this really cool thing that really happened sometime between 1990 and 1991....this guy nicked named "Stormin Norman" used the media and told them everything they wanted to know, and GASP! It was a lie.....maybe you should do some research...you know, learn a little....

I have once again proven you wrong, you should be ashamed it was so easy to prove you wrong....you know, go back into your mom's basement ashamed.....
I care very much about facts! Half my time spent in these threads is devoted to separating fact from fiction, and if I get your argument or meaning wrong, please don't just say so. Explain yourself further, just like I am often called upon to do, over and over, until maybe there is better clarity. Rarely does better agreement come about, of course, but at least better clarity.

I read through your comments here, and nowhere do you really do much other than point to areas of confusion, without clarifying, and/or making unsubstantiated statements, like for example you "once again proving me wrong." How/where did you do that?

PS: I don't need examples of lies perpetrated by politicians or the media or people who post in these threads. Those WMD in Iraq that Bush told us we were going to find comes to mind as just one of many good examples.

Also too many to count, if I may be able to use that phrase again without too much unnecessary petty objection...
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:15 PM
 
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Nobel Peace Prize winner kills another human being by pushing a button. So much honor and courage.

Hope and Change.
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
You're all kinds of confused.
...and you're arguing with a mirror.



Proof that people would rather be lied to than be told they are being lied to.

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Nobel Peace Prize winner kills another human being by pushing a button. So much honor and courage.

Hope and Change.
We certainly got the "change" so... I guess if this were baseball he'd have a .500 average.
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Old 05-24-2016, 05:31 PM
 
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I care very much about facts! Half my time spent in these threads is devoted to separating fact from fiction, and if I get your argument or meaning wrong, please don't just say so. Explain yourself further, just like I am often called upon to do, over and over, until maybe there is better clarity. Rarely does better agreement come about, of course, but at least better clarity.

I read through your comments here, and nowhere do you really do much other than point to areas of confusion, without clarifying, and/or making unsubstantiated statements, like for example you "once again proving me wrong." How/where did you do that?

PS: I don't need examples of lies perpetrated by politicians or the media or people who post in these threads. Those WMD in Iraq that Bush told us we were going to find comes to mind as just one of many good examples.

Also too many to count, if I may be able to use that phrase again without too much unnecessary petty objection...

Why should I? I very clearly break down what I respond too.....you refuse to, why do I do this you say, because I like to be specific.

So, now to answer you post above, you really don't, you time is not spent anywhere unless you are agreeing with the left, I have said so very clearly to include me being very specific, if you cannot understand my statement, then please be more specific.

I have provided pretty clear explanations, some maybe sarcastic, but still provide answers.

Weapons of mass destruction were found, are you calling all those dems liars?

No need to count....
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Old 05-25-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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Nobel Peace Prize winner kills another human being by pushing a button. So much honor and courage.

Hope and Change.
So your argument is that a president who happens to win a Nobel Peace prize should not perform his duty as Commander in Chief of the United States armed forces? Or is it the use of an unmanned drone instead of an American pilot that you find objectionable?

Hope and change, sure, but logic and reason too, right?
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Old 05-25-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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Why should I? I very clearly break down what I respond too.....you refuse to, why do I do this you say, because I like to be specific.

So, now to answer you post above, you really don't, you time is not spent anywhere unless you are agreeing with the left, I have said so very clearly to include me being very specific, if you cannot understand my statement, then please be more specific.

I have provided pretty clear explanations, some maybe sarcastic, but still provide answers.

Weapons of mass destruction were found, are you calling all those dems liars?

No need to count....
Okay, if still the want to speak in generalities, maybe just give the comment number that makes clear what you are talking about more specifically, because you don't provide much clue in this last comment of yours either.

At least there is the specific mention of WMD, but here again I am at a bit of a loss. You say those were found in Iraq? Did I miss something?

Or is this perhaps what you are referring to? Again, you don't make yourself clear...

"Such pre-1991 chemical-weapons shells (often empty) were found by U.N. weapons inspectors just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq by the United States. The Bush administration, by contrast, staked its WMD claims on an active, on-going program that was restarted after the Kuwait conflict."

None of what Bush told us we were after was ever found except what had already been known to exist well before the invasion going back to the 1990s.

Is this another example of how you claim to prove me wrong yet again? Yet again, I have to guess?
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Old 05-25-2016, 03:46 PM
 
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Okay, if still the want to speak in generalities, maybe just give the comment number that makes clear what you are talking about more specifically, because you don't provide much clue in this last comment of yours either.

At least there is the specific mention of WMD, but here again I am at a bit of a loss. You say those were found in Iraq? Did I miss something?

Or is this perhaps what you are referring to? Again, you don't make yourself clear...

"Such pre-1991 chemical-weapons shells (often empty) were found by U.N. weapons inspectors just before the 2003 invasion of Iraq by the United States. The Bush administration, by contrast, staked its WMD claims on an active, on-going program that was restarted after the Kuwait conflict."

None of what Bush told us we were after was ever found except what had already been known to exist well before the invasion going back to the 1990s.

Is this another example of how you claim to prove me wrong yet again? Yet again, I have to guess?
I sometimes speak in generalities, but my last quote made it very clear I was talking about General Norman Schwarzkopf (stormin Norman), he used the media, told them one thing and then took care of the the opposition, your lack of understanding of my response to your question does not make me wrong, it means you are not willing to take your comment, apply my response and come up with a logical answer?

Why don't you inform us, of how were were talking about letting the enemy "know" and I talked about stormin, and you bring up WMD? Please inform us, because you obviously did no research....
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Old 05-25-2016, 05:10 PM
 
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I sometimes speak in generalities, but my last quote made it very clear I was talking about General Norman Schwarzkopf (stormin Norman), he used the media, told them one thing and then took care of the the opposition, your lack of understanding of my response to your question does not make me wrong, it means you are not willing to take your comment, apply my response and come up with a logical answer?

Why don't you inform us, of how were were talking about letting the enemy "know" and I talked about stormin, and you bring up WMD? Please inform us, because you obviously did no research....
Oooh, boy, a bit too much circling around this and that for me, feeling a little dizzy. How about we just hit the reset button and not try to fix something too badly mangled for words, shall we? If I am somewhat to blame for this wreck of an exchange, my sincere apologies for whatever I did to get us here!

Out of time for me today in any case, maybe to consider all this mess further tomorrow, but I really don't think so. Pounding sand is far more productive...
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Old 05-25-2016, 06:30 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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None of what Bush told us we were after was ever found except what had already been known to exist well before the invasion going back to the 1990s.

Is this another example of how you claim to prove me wrong yet again? Yet again, I have to guess?
Amazing, isn't it? The Bush defenders will continue their lies and distortions and will not accept the facts. I won't even argue or "re-litigate" the case. Bush lied, he distorted available intelligence, he did everything BUT tell the truth. And thousands died. There is no dispute behind this. I long long ago stopped shagging facts for those who simply will, under no circumstance, accept the truth. Let them live in their dishonest world.
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Old 05-25-2016, 06:34 PM
 
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So your argument is that a president who happens to win a Nobel Peace prize should not perform his duty as Commander in Chief of the United States armed forces? Or is it the use of an unmanned drone instead of an American pilot that you find objectionable?

Hope and change, sure, but logic and reason too, right?
No change and little hope is what we got. I thought he was going to "get us out of the mid east wars"

WTH happened to that?

I thought he was going to truly help black people in this country? All he has done is inflamed emotions and got more people killed needlessly while he rubs elbows with rich white people at Martha's Vineyard or Hawaii.
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