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It is obviously true that all major religions have had violent periods, or periods in which the religion has coexisted with violence. Even those mellow pacifist Buddhists.
But in today’s context, it’s absurd to equate Islam and Christianity and any other religion. Pointing to the Spanish Inquisition tends to undermine the point rather than confirm it: if you have to look back three hundred years to find atrocities, it’s because there are so few of them today. The mass crimes committed under the name of Islam, by contrast, are fresh and openly boasted about.
I am not painting all Muslims with one broad brush, but this thread topic is
british courts stop Muslim fammiy from sending 9 year old girl to marry afghan cousin.
instead of cheering for the victory of civilization, you are basically saying "so what? we have all practiced arranged child plural marriages?
Think about the impact of your silly words for a change. Man.
Yes, every religion, country has violent dark history, But this should make us appreciate all the more the way in which, after centuries of contentious and often bloody history, our culture’s dominant faith has settled into a more benevolent and liberal form.
We can hope that Islam will do the same. But in terms of their history and doctrines, they still have a long way to go. Can we say this? does it make us bigots?
Again, there are little girls in African countries who are Christians who are getting married in todays day and age and getting mutilated due to FGM.
These things are common in localities and countries that are 3rd world in nature.
Young marriages are also common in many Latin American countries which are predominantly Christian.
Just because arranged child marriage has been practiced in many cultures around the world does not make it acceptable behavior. Fortunately the British courts have prevented this single abomination. What can the civilized world do to prevent the rest?
Again, there are little girls in African countries who are Christians who are getting married in todays day and age and getting mutilated due to FGM.
These things are common in localities and countries that are 3rd world in nature.
Young marriages are also common in many Latin American countries which are predominantly Christian.
Again
Yes, every religion, country has violent dark history, But this should make us appreciate all the more the way in which, after centuries of contentious and often bloody history, our culture’s dominant faith has settled into a more benevolent and liberal form.
We can hope that Islam will do the same. But in terms of their history and doctrines, they still have a long way to go.
wow, some people are actually defending this? just wow.
Understanding different norms in different cultures is not defense.
Billions of children all over the world have no right to education nor opportunity to improve their lot in life. They are expected to contribute to the support and maintenance of their family, at an early age. Girls in particular, continue to be viewed as just another mouth to feed. The sooner they are married off for a sum, the better.
Secondly, stop telling people "judge a little slower" Yes, we will be judging, because every civilized individual is going to stop this type of madness.
If you want to debate circumcision of baby boys, start your own thread .Problem solved.
You just don't want to reply. I've spelled out exactly why it's on topic. You just don't want to hear it. How about you stop telling people what to do?
Yes, every religion, country has violent dark history, But this should make us appreciate all the more the way in which, after centuries of contentious and often bloody history, our culture’s dominant faith has settled into a more benevolent and liberal form.
We can hope that Islam will do the same. But in terms of their history and doctrines, they still have a long way to go.
All followers of Islam do not make 9 year old girls marry. That was the point of my comments. People attempt to use the most extreme stories they can find to paint a particular group in a negative light.
My point is that in regards to Christians and Muslims, one can easily find a similar story of a Christian girl being forced to marry or being mutiliated like Muslims are frequently portrayed as doing to their girls.
I will further add that I am an atheist and not religious and I feel all religions are dangerous in a way being that people are taught to blindly follow thousand year old ideas. Some people take a literal stance and believe that everything in their text should be followed exactly (even passages which contradict the other). Both of those religions have similar texts and today, both religions have similar fundamentalist folks who advocate for the extremes of their religions.
Islam in many countries is also "benevolent and liberal" just like Christianity is here in America. However in other countries Islam is extreme and Christianity is extreme as well. It depends on the locality and/or country and how they have moved passed the extremes of their religion. Women in Kuwait for example don't have to deal with fundamentalist views of Islam in the way those in Afghanistan do. Just like Christian women/girls here in the US don't have to deal with the fundamentalist views of Christianity in Ethiopia.
You just don't want to reply. I've spelled out exactly why it's on topic. You just don't want to hear it. How about you stop telling people what to do?
Not telling you what to do, Just give you a suggestion.
If you want to talk about circumcision, start your own thread. You will get more responses this way. It is still ridiculous to believe infant boy circumcision is the same as child molestation lol
All followers of Islam do not make 9 year old girls marry. That was the point of my comments. People attempt to use the most extreme stories they can find to paint a particular group in a negative light.
My point is that in regards to Christians and Muslims, one can easily find a similar story of a Christian girl being forced to marry or being mutiliated like Muslims are frequently portrayed as doing to their girls.
I will further add that I am an atheist and not religious and I feel all religions are dangerous in a way being that people are taught to blindly follow thousand year old ideas. Some people take a literal stance and believe that everything in their text should be followed exactly (even passages which contradict the other). Both of those religions have similar texts and today, both religions have similar fundamentalist folks who advocate for the extremes of their religions.
Islam in many countries is also "benevolent and liberal" just like Christianity is here in America. However in other countries Islam is extreme and Christianity is extreme as well. It depends on the locality and/or country and how they have moved passed the extremes of their religion. Women in Kuwait for example don't have to deal with fundamentalist views of Islam in the way those in Afghanistan do. Just like Christian women/girls here in the US don't have to deal with the fundamentalist views of Christianity in Ethiopia.
well, I don't disagree with you. But i've made my points.
Not telling you what to do, Just give you a suggestion.
If you want to talk about circumcision, start your own thread. You will get more responses this way.
I want to talk about how in one sentence you vilify an entire religion for an individual's choice yet in the next argue that I'm off base in believing that here, Christians do something very questionable to their children yet are given a free pass because it is a cultural norm. The two are related.
Among the parts of the rich, time honored Islamic culture that is being imported to Western countries. Liberals and Democrats love to make stereotypical jokes about inbreeding in places like West Virginia even though it was only ever limited to a few families here in Appalachia. Cousin marriage is actually illegal in West Virginia.
In many Muslim countries, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, over 40% of marriages are arranged between cousins, usually first cousins. The Saudi royal family is also heavily inbred to maintain loyalty within itself.
Oh yes, Muhammad himself did marry a 9 year old girl.
This is where cultures collide.
Too many Muslims simply did not immigrate to the Western nations to adopt their culture and traditions as their own. these Muslims just wanted to change their zip code, continue and impose their backward and incompatible cultures and traditions, and the liberals go out of their way to assist.
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