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Old 05-26-2016, 08:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
Liberals never seem to learn that "UN-intentional consequences" when they demand things.
Yes, because the robots made to do this were being worked on before the $15/hr wage was even a glimmer. Apparently non-liberals have this inability to understand technological advances.

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It is BEYOND their comprehension that other people, and businesses" will change and adjust whenever the liberals do something, pass a law etc.
Uhmmm...theres this thing called capitalism, and its been driving technology and the cost of it down for a while. turns out that means that its not about the rise in minimum wage, its about robots eventually being cheaper then what a human could survive on. Its inevitable.

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They NEVER seem to "learn form history"
And some folks never learn that its "from". But to your intended point....you mean like when automation replaced people in the past? Like how a plow does a better job then a human at its purpose?
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A perfect example is when they passed the "luxury tax" expecting to bring in millions more dollars into the U.S Treasury.
So Bush was a liberal?

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INSTEAD, the U.S boating industry and the small airplane industry were almost completely destroyed.
Really? Lets fact check that....

Recreational Boating is $121 Billion Economic Driver for U.S.

Or some light reading:
http://www.gao.gov/assets/220/215770.pdf

which points out that the "OMG the HORROR of the luxury tax" was a lot more about "OMG the 1991 crash"


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Tens of thousands of jobs were lost and the fed took in LESS money from those industries.
Again, the whole 1991 recession did that to pretty much every industry

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They NEVER had the common sense to understand that the people they THOUGHT they could get MORE money from, would just STOP buying boats and airplanes.
Sigh. Yes yes, its such a horrible thing. Ignore that whole economic recession, just blame this.

 
Old 05-26-2016, 09:22 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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As technology changes, so do jobs. When factories were able to install robots, jobs for line workers went away.
When tractors replaced horses on farms, you no longer needed farm hands to do the plowing and planting. Those jobs went away.


Industrialization made many jobs go away for blacksmiths, coopers, cobblers, advances in materials made it easier and cheaper to make products from plastic instead of wood or Bakelite. Times change.


Low skill manual laborers won't go away, but the number of good jobs for them that pay well will. Robots will take orders, do the cooking, humans will probably mop the floors, although robots can do that too.


As technology advances, humans will also have to change their mindset in order to find work.


There will always be a place for traditional skills, but the focus changes. For instance, I blacksmith as a hobby. Instead of a necessity that it was for thousands of years, now it's more artistic and for specialty customers, so I make tools that are no longer available commercially for people that like traditional lifestyles, and weapons for collectors instead of the warriors my predecessors made the same weapons for.


People need to adapt to changes. Standing on a street screaming for higher wages for a low skill job is only going to accelerate the process.
There was a smelter in a town I lived in. It was going through some hard times so the company went to the unions and told them if we freeze wages for 2 years, we will sign a contract that makes up that wage with a bonus at the end of that time and we can keep working.
The union said fine, and went on strike.
So the company gave into their demands, gave them their raise immediately, then closed up and moved overseas.


All those workers were out of a good paying job and had to retrain or move to find work that didn't pay as much. But they "won" their wage increase, at least for a few months. A Pyrrhic victory at best.


Employees and management need to work together, or management will find a way to operate without the employees that cause them trouble.


Automation will be a player in that same as it always has. It's up to the low skill worker to find a way to make themselves valuable in the new world.
You do not understand what automation will do. Making themselves more valuable is not gonna change that there will not be any jobs available to go to since robots have taken all the jobs. Automation is not just gonna take low skill jobs it is gonna take middle class jobs to.
 
Old 05-27-2016, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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You do not understand what automation will do. Making themselves more valuable is not gonna change that there will not be any jobs available to go to since robots have taken all the jobs. Automation is not just gonna take low skill jobs it is gonna take middle class jobs to.
Here is one article that points out how automation is already hurting American jobs: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5...stroying-jobs/. As they also point out; it isn't just American jobs. This is what we read about in China this week: https://www.techinasia.com/foxconn-r...ina-job-losses.

The bigger picture is that humans will never be allowed to plan for the future. This is what big business wanted and has been working on for the last fifty years. They went after the unions first. Then they saw the advantages of legal and illegal immigration, Then they championed the 'temporary' workers and now they are going after the automation. Nobody's job is safe. If it is cheaper to make or do anything with automation or whatever; somebody will do it. The top 1% of the 1% will be making the calls - there are no plans to share the wealth and, those in charge, will not give it up without a battle - don't forget that they control the politicians.
 
Old 05-27-2016, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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This seems oddly appropriate

 
Old 05-27-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I wonder when Pizza Hut and the rest will realize that automatons do not order, pay for or eat pizza. By minimizing minimum wage employees they are minimizing their customer base.


I wonder how many minimum wage employees they could keep on the payroll if they eliminated a couple of executive VPs? Now there is a place to save costs.
 
Old 05-27-2016, 09:19 AM
 
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I wonder when Pizza Hut and the rest will realize that automatons do not order, pay for or eat pizza. By minimizing minimum wage employees they are minimizing their customer base.


I wonder how many minimum wage employees they could keep on the payroll if they eliminated a couple of executive VPs? Now there is a place to save costs.
Walmart says that most of the raises they gave employees is being spent at Walmart. It's bad when your employees can't afford to buy from you.
 
Old 05-27-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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You mean the "luxury tax" that George H W Bush signed into law?

That "luxury tax"?
Yest, that one that H. Bush should NOT have signed.
"Way back in 1990 when Democrats controlled Congress, they met behind closed doors to hammer out a budget with all kinds of politics strewn throughout the process and in their final plan. Eager to score political class-warfare points with their base, whose values they seriously misread, Democrats imposed a 10 percent “luxury” tax on recreational boats"

"Democrats in Congress made the same huge blunder with the ill-conceived boat luxury tax two decades ago. Democrats aimed at the rich, but instead hurt workers who build the larger crafts as boat manufacturers were forced to lay off employees when sales plummeted. They also crippled suppliers of materials used to manufacture the boats as well as related recreational industries associated with the boats, and seemingly non-related businesses in the towns where decimated boat manufacturing businesses operated and employed workers. Tens of thousands of jobs were lost, and untold thousands more related livelihoods were negatively affected by Congress’s social engineering. Owners of boat manufacturing plants joined hundreds of the very workers they were forced to lay off to march on the steps of the U.S. Capitol protesting the job-killing tax that hurt not the rich, but rather the workers and small-business owners"

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As then-President George H.W. Bush said in his 1992 State of the Union address, appealing to Democrats to stop engaging in destructive class warfare and support his budget, which included repeal of the tax, “When they aim at the big guy, they usually hit the little guy. And maybe it’s time that stopped.”

He learned it was a mistake and TRIED to get the DEMS, UNSUCCESSFULLY, to REPEAL it.

http://thehill.com/opinion/columnist...porate-jet-tax
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